30 November 2007 - Family Integrity #321 -- Petition tables
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Robinson [mailto:w.robinson@clear.net.nz]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 4:18 PM
To: Craig Smith
Subject: RE: Petition tables
HELP!!
The Wellington region desperately needs volunteers to man tables to collect signatures for the referendum against the anti-smacking bill. At present there are too few of us trying to canvas the whole region. Some folk have taken up the challenge but we need more folk to cover various areas of Wellington city and the Hutt Valley etc.
Those of us who are doing it are spreading ourselves thin trying to get the signatures.
I will coordinate those who are willing but we need numbers on the ground to make this effective in our area.
Please help. Those who are willing and able can contact me on w.robinson@clear.net.nz ; home Ph. 9775501 or Mob 021 308 679.
Regards
Wayne
Friday, 30 November 2007
FI - 320
30 November 2007 - Family Integrity #320 -- U4L; COMING ACTIVITIES
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:06 AM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L; COMING ACTIVITIES
Hi All,
I apologize for the late notice of events this weekend, I encourage all coordinators to also use http://christiannews.co.nz/Forum/ to advertise local events.
Friendly Reminder - If you have any signatures at home could you please post them to Larry Baldock so we can attain an accurate count. Address is on the petition forms
For the week coming starting from the South
Contact catlins@unityforliberty.net.nz to help Natalie in her efforts
Sat Dunedin/ Nat and Santa's helpers
Tues Gore/ Daniel and Nat
Thurs Lawrence/ Nat
Fri Dunedin?/ Nat/ Katie/ Anna?/ ??/
Christchurch - Targeting a cycling event and a 50's plus expo. Contact chch@unityforliberty.net.nz for more details
Larry Baldock is targeting the A&P Show at Fielding, you can contact him on 021864833
Auckland - we are trying to run tables at Howick and Pukekohe on Saturday morning, then it's the Electoral Finance Bill March at 2pm Queen St at 2pm
Contact craig@unityforliberty.net.nz
Old Papatoetoe - there is also a Christmas Parade on Wed night, time to be confirmed.
If you can assist with these events we would love to hear from you
We will be sending an update on Mon/Tues about the following weeks events, please let us know of any in your area.
Thanks for efforts of all those who have already placed their hands to the plow already.
Craig Hill
021746113
craig@unityforliberty.net.nz
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:06 AM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L; COMING ACTIVITIES
Hi All,
I apologize for the late notice of events this weekend, I encourage all coordinators to also use http://christiannews.co.nz/Forum/ to advertise local events.
Friendly Reminder - If you have any signatures at home could you please post them to Larry Baldock so we can attain an accurate count. Address is on the petition forms
For the week coming starting from the South
Contact catlins@unityforliberty.net.nz to help Natalie in her efforts
Sat Dunedin/ Nat and Santa's helpers
Tues Gore/ Daniel and Nat
Thurs Lawrence/ Nat
Fri Dunedin?/ Nat/ Katie/ Anna?/ ??/
Christchurch - Targeting a cycling event and a 50's plus expo. Contact chch@unityforliberty.net.nz for more details
Larry Baldock is targeting the A&P Show at Fielding, you can contact him on 021864833
Auckland - we are trying to run tables at Howick and Pukekohe on Saturday morning, then it's the Electoral Finance Bill March at 2pm Queen St at 2pm
Contact craig@unityforliberty.net.nz
Old Papatoetoe - there is also a Christmas Parade on Wed night, time to be confirmed.
If you can assist with these events we would love to hear from you
We will be sending an update on Mon/Tues about the following weeks events, please let us know of any in your area.
Thanks for efforts of all those who have already placed their hands to the plow already.
Craig Hill
021746113
craig@unityforliberty.net.nz
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
Thursday, 29 November 2007
Media
MEDIA RELEASE
29 November 2007
Daughter (16) Hidden from Parents Under Privacy Act
Family First is blasting the effects of the Privacy Act which has meant that a Manukau City family has been unable to find out where their runaway daughter is.
“It is a disgrace that the role of parents and the right of parents to know where their children are, is being undermined by privacy legislation and the so-called rights of children,” says Bob McCoskrie, National Director of Family First NZ.
“This is not a dysfunctional home where the child is unsafe. This is not a family who don’t care – in fact they have spent hours roaming the street since the November 6 disappearance of their 16 year old daughter. Yet despite all that, the police are protecting the whereabouts of the daughter. The parents have been left in the dark. According to the Manukau Courier the police are saying that a young person under 17 can dictate whether their parents are told where they are.”
“Politicians, with the support of the UN, Children’s Commissioner and Youth Law Project to name a few, have sought to increase children’s rights without considering the vital role of parents, and ways of strengthening families rather than splitting them.”
“On one hand, a parent is responsible for the actions and costs of their child in the community and school, but at the same time their role is being undermined by criminalising effective methods of parental correction, providing the Independent Youth Benefit, provision of contraception and abortion without the consent or even knowledge of the parents, and the recent example of a school dobbing in a parent to CYF for giving their child a light smack.”
“The Privacy Act and children’s rights are being used as a blunt instrument against parents,” says Mr McCoskrie.
“If the government wants parents to be responsible parents, the law must firstly respect their authority and role.”
ENDS
For More Information and Media Interviews, contact Family First:
Bob McCoskrie JP - National Director
Tel. 09 261 2426 | Mob. 027 55 555 42
29 November 2007
Daughter (16) Hidden from Parents Under Privacy Act
Family First is blasting the effects of the Privacy Act which has meant that a Manukau City family has been unable to find out where their runaway daughter is.
“It is a disgrace that the role of parents and the right of parents to know where their children are, is being undermined by privacy legislation and the so-called rights of children,” says Bob McCoskrie, National Director of Family First NZ.
“This is not a dysfunctional home where the child is unsafe. This is not a family who don’t care – in fact they have spent hours roaming the street since the November 6 disappearance of their 16 year old daughter. Yet despite all that, the police are protecting the whereabouts of the daughter. The parents have been left in the dark. According to the Manukau Courier the police are saying that a young person under 17 can dictate whether their parents are told where they are.”
“Politicians, with the support of the UN, Children’s Commissioner and Youth Law Project to name a few, have sought to increase children’s rights without considering the vital role of parents, and ways of strengthening families rather than splitting them.”
“On one hand, a parent is responsible for the actions and costs of their child in the community and school, but at the same time their role is being undermined by criminalising effective methods of parental correction, providing the Independent Youth Benefit, provision of contraception and abortion without the consent or even knowledge of the parents, and the recent example of a school dobbing in a parent to CYF for giving their child a light smack.”
“The Privacy Act and children’s rights are being used as a blunt instrument against parents,” says Mr McCoskrie.
“If the government wants parents to be responsible parents, the law must firstly respect their authority and role.”
ENDS
For More Information and Media Interviews, contact Family First:
Bob McCoskrie JP - National Director
Tel. 09 261 2426 | Mob. 027 55 555 42
Wednesday, 28 November 2007
FI - 319
28 November 2007 - Family Integrity #319 -- Good week down south
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Moore [mailto:chch@unityforliberty.net.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: Good week down south
Hi Southerners,
We had a good number of volunteers at the Balclutha A&P Show.
Katie took the day - hardly staying at the table at all. She brought in 241 signatures by herself, absolutely blowing us away!
Running from 9:30am til about 4:00pm, we collected 980 signatures - approximately 20%of the 5,000 strong crowd at the Show!
Natalie, our Otago coordinator from the Catlins says...
"Very exciting week for us down here just wonderful to see people climbing on board now. Great to see people are more aware of the petition, very lucky to get lots of exposure over the radio on the lead up to the show . That is due to each and everyone of you all getting out there and spending time with the people. We had some wonderful helpers from Christchurch, Dunedin and Mosgiel at the Show.
A big thank you to each of you, we are truly grateful to have the Moore Family who are out there travelling around New Zealand. Craig thank you for your humour and encouragement.Katie great stuff you have a real gift, keep it up.Thankfully we weren't placed next to the Greens Tent , like in Christchurch Sue Bradford would have been wrapped that I had lost my vocal capacity. Just great to meet people out there with a team of great people, makes it an enjoyable day. Went to Gore last week great response and will be there next week on Tuesday 4th December, do you want a ride? I told Bill English that he would be seeing a lot more of us down his way.
I am looking for people to help in Invercargill in the next two weeks I can pick up and transport people from Balclutha or you could meet me in the Catlins and we will do the Southern Scenic Route down and make a day of it bring a packed lunch... and togs?
I will be in Blenheim, four weeks in total and I am keen to have some happy face's come along and give a hand.
Centre City Mall have plenty of free spaces for us to target the Mall next week let me know what day may suit you and I will book it and come up, they have the yummiest fudge there! ( join me and the fudge will be on me ) Let me know by Friday this week please. 03 41 58243. Looking forward to many more fun times with you all."
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Back in Christchurch, a team of three hit the town. Late afternoon, they headed over to the Coca Cola Christmas in the Park concert, and then on Sunday morning they went to Riccarton Market. Bringing in 758 signatures, they did extremely well for such a small team! It does make you think though - how many signatures did we miss out on because we didn't have enough volunteers at the Concert?
Our strategy for the coming months is really going to be just hitting these events, such as A&P shows and other concerts.
Also, it is important to keep up the weekly tables as these keep a steady flow of signatures flying up to Larry Baldock's office in Tauranga.
If you can help - or if you know someone who might be able to help, please get back to me. What we are finding more and more, is that there are plenty of people who are happy to sign - we just need the volunteers to bring in these signatures - and it's so easy! If we don't get a few more volunteers however, the statistics are not in our favour: we will not make the required number of signatures by the cut off date.
As always, please forward this on to anyone who you think may be interested!
And remember the words of Edmund Burke: "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing".
Kind Regards,
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
God Defend New Zealand.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Moore [mailto:chch@unityforliberty.net.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: Good week down south
Hi Southerners,
We had a good number of volunteers at the Balclutha A&P Show.
Katie took the day - hardly staying at the table at all. She brought in 241 signatures by herself, absolutely blowing us away!
Running from 9:30am til about 4:00pm, we collected 980 signatures - approximately 20%of the 5,000 strong crowd at the Show!
Natalie, our Otago coordinator from the Catlins says...
"Very exciting week for us down here just wonderful to see people climbing on board now. Great to see people are more aware of the petition, very lucky to get lots of exposure over the radio on the lead up to the show . That is due to each and everyone of you all getting out there and spending time with the people. We had some wonderful helpers from Christchurch, Dunedin and Mosgiel at the Show.
A big thank you to each of you, we are truly grateful to have the Moore Family who are out there travelling around New Zealand. Craig thank you for your humour and encouragement.Katie great stuff you have a real gift, keep it up.Thankfully we weren't placed next to the Greens Tent , like in Christchurch Sue Bradford would have been wrapped that I had lost my vocal capacity. Just great to meet people out there with a team of great people, makes it an enjoyable day. Went to Gore last week great response and will be there next week on Tuesday 4th December, do you want a ride? I told Bill English that he would be seeing a lot more of us down his way.
I am looking for people to help in Invercargill in the next two weeks I can pick up and transport people from Balclutha or you could meet me in the Catlins and we will do the Southern Scenic Route down and make a day of it bring a packed lunch... and togs?
I will be in Blenheim, four weeks in total and I am keen to have some happy face's come along and give a hand.
Centre City Mall have plenty of free spaces for us to target the Mall next week let me know what day may suit you and I will book it and come up, they have the yummiest fudge there! ( join me and the fudge will be on me ) Let me know by Friday this week please. 03 41 58243. Looking forward to many more fun times with you all."
-----------------------------------------------
Back in Christchurch, a team of three hit the town. Late afternoon, they headed over to the Coca Cola Christmas in the Park concert, and then on Sunday morning they went to Riccarton Market. Bringing in 758 signatures, they did extremely well for such a small team! It does make you think though - how many signatures did we miss out on because we didn't have enough volunteers at the Concert?
Our strategy for the coming months is really going to be just hitting these events, such as A&P shows and other concerts.
Also, it is important to keep up the weekly tables as these keep a steady flow of signatures flying up to Larry Baldock's office in Tauranga.
If you can help - or if you know someone who might be able to help, please get back to me. What we are finding more and more, is that there are plenty of people who are happy to sign - we just need the volunteers to bring in these signatures - and it's so easy! If we don't get a few more volunteers however, the statistics are not in our favour: we will not make the required number of signatures by the cut off date.
As always, please forward this on to anyone who you think may be interested!
And remember the words of Edmund Burke: "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing".
Kind Regards,
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
God Defend New Zealand.
Tuesday, 27 November 2007
Coming Events
27 Nov 2007
From Family First
If the Electoral Finance Bill is pushed through next week in its current form, we believe it will severely limit the speech of community organisations, special interest groups and individuals in an election year. Yet at the same time political parties will be able to take large anonymous donations and large amounts of taxpayer funding
We believe voters have the same right to be heard as political parties.
Please join us as we
MARCH against the
Electoral Finance Bill
Victoria Square Christchurch Wednesday (tomorrow) 12.30pm
Auckland Town Hall, Queen St Saturday 2pm
CLICK HERE http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/index.cfm/EFB for more details about why we oppose the Bill
Groups like Family First and other pro-family groups, churches and community groups will be significantly muzzled and restricted by this legislation - and for the whole of 2008! During an election year, we need to be able to promote and debate the pro-life, pro-family and pro-marriage messages.
Speak up now – before it’s too late
ps - if you are attending these marches and are available to assist in carrying our large banner, please email bob@familyfirst.org.nz. The last group who did it were on TV1 News!!
http://www.familyfirst.org.nz
From Family First
If the Electoral Finance Bill is pushed through next week in its current form, we believe it will severely limit the speech of community organisations, special interest groups and individuals in an election year. Yet at the same time political parties will be able to take large anonymous donations and large amounts of taxpayer funding
We believe voters have the same right to be heard as political parties.
Please join us as we
MARCH against the
Electoral Finance Bill
Victoria Square Christchurch Wednesday (tomorrow) 12.30pm
Auckland Town Hall, Queen St Saturday 2pm
CLICK HERE http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/index.cfm/EFB for more details about why we oppose the Bill
Groups like Family First and other pro-family groups, churches and community groups will be significantly muzzled and restricted by this legislation - and for the whole of 2008! During an election year, we need to be able to promote and debate the pro-life, pro-family and pro-marriage messages.
Speak up now – before it’s too late
ps - if you are attending these marches and are available to assist in carrying our large banner, please email bob@familyfirst.org.nz. The last group who did it were on TV1 News!!
http://www.familyfirst.org.nz
FI - 318
27 November 2007 - Family Integrity #318 -- U4L; LAST WEEKS SIG COUNT
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:59 PM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L; LAST WEEKS SIG COUNT
Hi All,
Previous week update, another great week for the cause. A total of 6182 signatures for the week, WELL DONE ALL.
Larry Baldock has requested everyone post in all signatures, so he can get an accurate figure which will help encourage folk to continue collecting. We'll be posting the official count on the website when we get the next total.
We'll be sending out a Table Challenge report soon.
The best news that we are hearing of others who have been quietly working away, that means that our recorded total should be on the light side. Also people who are signing the petition seem to be willing to take our cards so they can download the forms themselves for family and friends to sign. Again this will make our recorded total light.
The top three belong to Natalie, who wrote: "Wow what a super week I was in Gore today and had a good response in 2.5 hrs I got 65 signatures and the day before a dear 77 year old got 181!!!"
Catlins 80
Gore 246
Balclutha 980
Howick 320
North Shore 414
Nelson 150
Porirua 100
Christchurch 758
Henderson 600
Hawke's Bay 498
Rodney 605
Taupo 750
Wellington 34
Papakura 100
Manurewa 240
Tauranga 170
Hamilton 240
weekly total: 6,285
That's above budget
Many hands make light work, Thank you very much.
Craig Hill
021746113
http;//www.unityforliberty.net.nz
All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" (Edmund Burke 1729-1797)
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:59 PM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L; LAST WEEKS SIG COUNT
Hi All,
Previous week update, another great week for the cause. A total of 6182 signatures for the week, WELL DONE ALL.
Larry Baldock has requested everyone post in all signatures, so he can get an accurate figure which will help encourage folk to continue collecting. We'll be posting the official count on the website when we get the next total.
We'll be sending out a Table Challenge report soon.
The best news that we are hearing of others who have been quietly working away, that means that our recorded total should be on the light side. Also people who are signing the petition seem to be willing to take our cards so they can download the forms themselves for family and friends to sign. Again this will make our recorded total light.
The top three belong to Natalie, who wrote: "Wow what a super week I was in Gore today and had a good response in 2.5 hrs I got 65 signatures and the day before a dear 77 year old got 181!!!"
Catlins 80
Gore 246
Balclutha 980
Howick 320
North Shore 414
Nelson 150
Porirua 100
Christchurch 758
Henderson 600
Hawke's Bay 498
Rodney 605
Taupo 750
Wellington 34
Papakura 100
Manurewa 240
Tauranga 170
Hamilton 240
weekly total: 6,285
That's above budget
Many hands make light work, Thank you very much.
Craig Hill
021746113
http;//www.unityforliberty.net.nz
All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" (Edmund Burke 1729-1797)
Monday, 26 November 2007
Blog - section59.blogspot
FROM: http://section59.blogspot.com/
Herald wrong on Anti-Smacking Law conclusions
The below article appeared in The Herald Editorial http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10478159, Sunday 25 November 07. All comments in bold are my own. I will just mention here that I am most impressed with The Herald's stand agains the Electoral Finance Bill http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/herald_on_electoral_finance_bill.html
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The first conviction under the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 has probably realised the worst fear of those who opposed it: that, far from bringing an end to orderly family life as we know it, the law would be applied with wisdom and common sense and people would be stopped doing something they ought not do...
Incorrect. The recent case says nothing by itself. It is foolishness to look at one case and come to a conclusion on the workability of the new Anti-Smacking law. The Government, Police and CYFS have been very quiet in the months following the bill's passing into law. However let us give it one, or two years and we will begin to see the Nanny State horror of Sweden being imposed upon New Zealand families.
...The act, before it was passed in May, was better known as "Sue Bradford's Anti-smacking Bill". But its official name is a better one because it underlines the real intent: in changing section 59 of the Crimes Act,
Incorrect. The bill was labelled by Sue Bradford herself as an "Anti-Smacking bill".
...it removed the protection available to parents - and to no one else - against a charge of assault...
Incorrect. Section (1) of the original law read:
"Every parent of a child and, subject to subsection (3) of this section, every person in the place of the parent of a child is justified in using force by way of correction towards the child, if the force used is reasonable in the circumstances."
...Opponents of the law predicted many dire consequences: that busybodies would tell on their neighbours and police would have no choice but to prosecute; that CYFS would be swamped with notifications relating to loving parents who gave a toddler a tap; that decent Mums and Dads would find the wrathful state marching through their living rooms.
But what has come to pass is precisely what Bradford had hoped, intended and predicted: Ministry of Social Development figures show no increase in numbers of notifications that can be related back to the passage of the bill (by contrast, an increase in awareness prompted by the "It's Not OK" publicity about family violence has resulted in a rise in reporting). Meanwhile police, following up neighbour reports of parents smacking their children, have determined that no assault has occurred.
Whether or not parents are prosecuted for smacking their children is almost beside the point. The fact is that it is illegal for parents to smack their children for the purpose of correction. This places families at the mercy of the State. This new law gives more power to CYFS to intervene in cases where good parents have smacked their children - not beaten them.
In some cases, these neighbour reports may have been petty or spiteful, or even the actions of people trying (and failing) to highlight what they saw as bad law. But, as child protection groups cogently argue, no harm was done: the reported behaviour might have been the tip of an abuse iceberg. Those who speak of trauma and insecurity caused to good families might want to measure it against the trauma and insecurity experienced by James Whakaruru and Delcelia Witika, among others.
Bob McCoskrie of Family First wants the National Party to change the smacking law so that good parents are not "criminalised for lightly smacking their children". But the plain evidence is that this is not happening. Certainly it is not what happened in the case of the Masterton man convicted this week. He smacked his son three times on the backside for misbehaving at school, in the process manhandling the boy sufficiently to leave bruises on his shoulder. He himself admitted that he had over-reacted and lost his temper - and he has agreed to undergo anger-management counselling for which the state will pay.
It is hard to imagine a better outcome - or a plainer demonstration of the law working as it should. Those who see here the spectre of the state intruding into private lives cannot avoid admitting that they would rather see the state clean up after a child is killed. That is the logical extension of a social and legal environment in which it is all right for parents to beat children.
Even the New Zealand Herald falls into the trap of using emotive terms to push a point. No, it was not "all right for parents to beat children" under the old law. Reasonable force is not the same as a beating.
The man's partner has commented pointedly that the young boy concerned is "playing on" his father's conviction. It is hard to imagine such smugness surviving a couple of nights without television or something similar, but in any case, as the judge said, kids can be challenging and adults have to behave responsibly if they want their children to.
This law may have been unpopular but evidence of the widely predicted unintended consequences is pitifully thin. In less than a generation, we will look back and wonder why we waited so long to pass it.
"We" did not pass this law. Our Parliament passed it against the will of approximately 83% of us. The majority of New Zealanders are still unhappy with the new law.
Herald wrong on Anti-Smacking Law conclusions
The below article appeared in The Herald Editorial http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10478159, Sunday 25 November 07. All comments in bold are my own. I will just mention here that I am most impressed with The Herald's stand agains the Electoral Finance Bill http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/herald_on_electoral_finance_bill.html
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The first conviction under the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 has probably realised the worst fear of those who opposed it: that, far from bringing an end to orderly family life as we know it, the law would be applied with wisdom and common sense and people would be stopped doing something they ought not do...
Incorrect. The recent case says nothing by itself. It is foolishness to look at one case and come to a conclusion on the workability of the new Anti-Smacking law. The Government, Police and CYFS have been very quiet in the months following the bill's passing into law. However let us give it one, or two years and we will begin to see the Nanny State horror of Sweden being imposed upon New Zealand families.
...The act, before it was passed in May, was better known as "Sue Bradford's Anti-smacking Bill". But its official name is a better one because it underlines the real intent: in changing section 59 of the Crimes Act,
Incorrect. The bill was labelled by Sue Bradford herself as an "Anti-Smacking bill".
...it removed the protection available to parents - and to no one else - against a charge of assault...
Incorrect. Section (1) of the original law read:
"Every parent of a child and, subject to subsection (3) of this section, every person in the place of the parent of a child is justified in using force by way of correction towards the child, if the force used is reasonable in the circumstances."
...Opponents of the law predicted many dire consequences: that busybodies would tell on their neighbours and police would have no choice but to prosecute; that CYFS would be swamped with notifications relating to loving parents who gave a toddler a tap; that decent Mums and Dads would find the wrathful state marching through their living rooms.
But what has come to pass is precisely what Bradford had hoped, intended and predicted: Ministry of Social Development figures show no increase in numbers of notifications that can be related back to the passage of the bill (by contrast, an increase in awareness prompted by the "It's Not OK" publicity about family violence has resulted in a rise in reporting). Meanwhile police, following up neighbour reports of parents smacking their children, have determined that no assault has occurred.
Whether or not parents are prosecuted for smacking their children is almost beside the point. The fact is that it is illegal for parents to smack their children for the purpose of correction. This places families at the mercy of the State. This new law gives more power to CYFS to intervene in cases where good parents have smacked their children - not beaten them.
In some cases, these neighbour reports may have been petty or spiteful, or even the actions of people trying (and failing) to highlight what they saw as bad law. But, as child protection groups cogently argue, no harm was done: the reported behaviour might have been the tip of an abuse iceberg. Those who speak of trauma and insecurity caused to good families might want to measure it against the trauma and insecurity experienced by James Whakaruru and Delcelia Witika, among others.
Bob McCoskrie of Family First wants the National Party to change the smacking law so that good parents are not "criminalised for lightly smacking their children". But the plain evidence is that this is not happening. Certainly it is not what happened in the case of the Masterton man convicted this week. He smacked his son three times on the backside for misbehaving at school, in the process manhandling the boy sufficiently to leave bruises on his shoulder. He himself admitted that he had over-reacted and lost his temper - and he has agreed to undergo anger-management counselling for which the state will pay.
It is hard to imagine a better outcome - or a plainer demonstration of the law working as it should. Those who see here the spectre of the state intruding into private lives cannot avoid admitting that they would rather see the state clean up after a child is killed. That is the logical extension of a social and legal environment in which it is all right for parents to beat children.
Even the New Zealand Herald falls into the trap of using emotive terms to push a point. No, it was not "all right for parents to beat children" under the old law. Reasonable force is not the same as a beating.
The man's partner has commented pointedly that the young boy concerned is "playing on" his father's conviction. It is hard to imagine such smugness surviving a couple of nights without television or something similar, but in any case, as the judge said, kids can be challenging and adults have to behave responsibly if they want their children to.
This law may have been unpopular but evidence of the widely predicted unintended consequences is pitifully thin. In less than a generation, we will look back and wonder why we waited so long to pass it.
"We" did not pass this law. Our Parliament passed it against the will of approximately 83% of us. The majority of New Zealanders are still unhappy with the new law.
Friday, 23 November 2007
FI - 317
23 November 2007 - Family Integrity #317 -- U4L, upcoming weekend events
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:23 AM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L, upcoming weekend events
Hi All,
Up coming events and news (I apologize for the late notice)
IF YOU HAVE CONTACTS IN THESE AREAS PLEASE FORWARD THESE DETAILS TO THEM, THANKYOU
Taupo- Larry Baldock is targeting the Taupo Bike Race, we have heard that this event attracts 20,000. If any volunteers are interested with helping it will be much appreciated. Please contact craighill@maxnet.co.nz for details.
Catlins- Natalie has organized a table at the Balclutha A&P Show this Saturday, and it's under cover. Any volunteers in the area please contact Natalie by e-mail catlins@unityforliberty.net.nz or craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mob 021746113
Nelson- We have a request from Jan, this is her request-Can anyone help me gather signatures for the petitions at Nelson A&P Show in Richmond this weekend, entry tickets provided. I'm 65 and not much use without support so I hope people can come while the news reports are fresh in their minds.
Yours sincerely,
Jan
Please contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Henderson- John is currently organising some tables at the Whanua Day Out run by the Ezekiel 33 Trust. Please contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Rodney- Arna is about to weave some more magic up there, she is looking at the Albany area as well. She can be contacted through rodney@unityforliberty.net.nz
Howick- Targeting a Christmas parade on Saturday at Picton Street, for more details contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
The photos from the A&P Show are now on the web site, go and view the lady signing the petition in the Green Party tent, they were not happy. click here
Regards
Craig Hill
All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" (Edmund Burke 1729-1797)
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:23 AM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L, upcoming weekend events
Hi All,
Up coming events and news (I apologize for the late notice)
IF YOU HAVE CONTACTS IN THESE AREAS PLEASE FORWARD THESE DETAILS TO THEM, THANKYOU
Taupo- Larry Baldock is targeting the Taupo Bike Race, we have heard that this event attracts 20,000. If any volunteers are interested with helping it will be much appreciated. Please contact craighill@maxnet.co.nz for details.
Catlins- Natalie has organized a table at the Balclutha A&P Show this Saturday, and it's under cover. Any volunteers in the area please contact Natalie by e-mail catlins@unityforliberty.net.nz or craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mob 021746113
Nelson- We have a request from Jan, this is her request-Can anyone help me gather signatures for the petitions at Nelson A&P Show in Richmond this weekend, entry tickets provided. I'm 65 and not much use without support so I hope people can come while the news reports are fresh in their minds.
Yours sincerely,
Jan
Please contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Henderson- John is currently organising some tables at the Whanua Day Out run by the Ezekiel 33 Trust. Please contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Rodney- Arna is about to weave some more magic up there, she is looking at the Albany area as well. She can be contacted through rodney@unityforliberty.net.nz
Howick- Targeting a Christmas parade on Saturday at Picton Street, for more details contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
The photos from the A&P Show are now on the web site, go and view the lady signing the petition in the Green Party tent, they were not happy. click here
Regards
Craig Hill
All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" (Edmund Burke 1729-1797)
Coming Events
IF YOU HAVE CONTACTS IN THESE AREAS PLEASE FORWARD THESE DETAILS TO THEM, THANKYOU
Taupo - Larry Baldock is targeting the Taupo Bike Race, we have heard that this event attracts 20,000. If any volunteers are interested with helping it will be much appreciated. Please contact craighill@maxnet.co.nz for details.
Catlins - Natalie has organized a table at the Balclutha A&P Show this Saturday, and it's under cover. Any volunteers in the area please contact Natalie by e-mail catlins@unityforliberty.net.nz or craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mob 021746113
Nelson - We have a request from Jan, this is her request-Can anyone help me gather signatures for the petitions at Nelson A&P Show in Richmond this weekend, entry tickets provided. I'm 65 and not much use without support so I hope people can come while the news reports are fresh in their minds.
Yours sincerely,
Jan
Please contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Henderson - John is currently organising some tables at the Whanua Day Out run by the Ezekiel 33 Trust. Please contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Rodney - Arna is about to weave some more magic up there, she is looking at the Albany area as well. She can be contacted through rodney@unityforliberty.net.nz
Howick - Targeting a Christmas parade on Saturday at Picton Street, for more details contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Taupo - Larry Baldock is targeting the Taupo Bike Race, we have heard that this event attracts 20,000. If any volunteers are interested with helping it will be much appreciated. Please contact craighill@maxnet.co.nz for details.
Catlins - Natalie has organized a table at the Balclutha A&P Show this Saturday, and it's under cover. Any volunteers in the area please contact Natalie by e-mail catlins@unityforliberty.net.nz or craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mob 021746113
Nelson - We have a request from Jan, this is her request-Can anyone help me gather signatures for the petitions at Nelson A&P Show in Richmond this weekend, entry tickets provided. I'm 65 and not much use without support so I hope people can come while the news reports are fresh in their minds.
Yours sincerely,
Jan
Please contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Henderson - John is currently organising some tables at the Whanua Day Out run by the Ezekiel 33 Trust. Please contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Rodney - Arna is about to weave some more magic up there, she is looking at the Albany area as well. She can be contacted through rodney@unityforliberty.net.nz
Howick - Targeting a Christmas parade on Saturday at Picton Street, for more details contact me by either e-mailing craighill@maxnet.co.nz or mobile 021746113
Blog - mandmandmandm
From http://mandmandmandm.blogspot.com/
In the last 24 hours I have been following the debate over the father convicted of assault of his son. Predictably I have heard differing views from many people whose sense I respect. On the one hand I have heard that he was prosecuted for delivering three smacks. On the other I have heard that there were other factors, the man lost his temper and left bruises.
Reflecting on this has led me to wonder if there is more to this than the surface debate. Is this debate simply a symptom of a corruption of confidence that has occurred in the last few years (or even few months).
Under the old law we knew that a person accused of child abuse could argue that their act was reasonable in the circumstances. We knew also that 12 people, randomly selected from the population, screened for bias had examined the facts and we knew there were strict rules of evidence applied.
We also knew that the judiciary and police were independent of the government. And we knew that if an error was made we could appeal to higher independent tribunals if necessary. Hence if a person was prosecuted for "assaulting their child" we could have a degree of confidence they had done so unjustifiably. We also had some confidence that mistakes would be corrected. Of course the system was not perfect. It never is. But it was reliable.
Now we don't. There is no distinction between reasonable and reasonable force for correction in law. All force for correction no matter how minute is unreasonable under the letter of the law. We know that this is absurd and against common sense. However we are told that we do not have to worry because police can exercise discretion and we can trust them.
The problem is, many of the same people have just told us that the police cannot be trusted. In the last month we have been told that are police are racist and will accuse of terrorism without evidence often from the same community that supported appealing S 59.The greens have warned us that, under terrorism legislation that state have wide discretion that they can use the police to silence dissent apparently those in power can't be trusted to use commonsense in discretion. The Maori party has also told us that this police, whom can be trusted to exercise discretion, over react to allegations of violence and will proceed terrorize families and children in their zeal. Both these groups exhorted us to trust police discretion in their voting on s59. We know that only in the last 24 hours a high profile police officer, who has been dodged by rape charges for several years, has
resigned before he faced investigation on unspecified charges of misconduct.
We also know several of his colleagues have been convicted of rape. We also know that at least three MP's have committed assaults the police know it and they choose not to prosecute. We know that one of these MP's assaulted children while a teacher and this was not considered serious. We also know that the police seem to almost never prosecute labour MP's who commit crimes accept when those MP's are ones known to be offside with the PM. We also know however that they did try to Prosecute National MP Nick Smith and that merely owing 35$ to an MP warrants a police car to be dispatched to the creditors house. We also know that recently evidence suppressed by the courts was leaked to the media, and confident claims by people on the far
left is that that the police, whom these people assure us we can trust to not use their power unjustly, leaked the documents to subvert a fair trial.
As to the courts we have heard in the last 24 hours, again from the Greens, that the court may have convicted and innocent man for murder. We know also that the Privy Council overturned another murder conviction, one that had been subjected to intense review from all NZ's appeal courts, and described it as a miscarriage of justice. We also know that the privacy council has been scrapped, because the government considers it unnecessary, and that the ruling party now appoints the judges. We also are aware of evidence the court suppressed in the aforementioned police rape case may have lead to their conviction. We also suspect the courts have suppressed evidence which appears to provide a basis for thinking a group of people are terrorists.
We also have no idea what exactly our leaders consider reasonable or unreasonable force. We are told that violence is never OK. But that an MP who punches another will not face any serious ramification. We also know that a history of abusing children as a teacher does not disqualify you from being a government minister. While violence is never OK, we also are told that people who talk about killing pakeha, talk about engaging in armed insurgency, talk about assassinating people, also buy military weapons, dress as military soldiers and practice military style maneuvers are just mouthing of and it's an overreaction to think otherwise. Apparently activists on the left mouth off like this all the time. On the other hand we have heard that health professionals should should ask questions of all
women admitted to their care in order to screen for violence and abuse. And we know that these questions seem to work with a definition of abuse so broad that everyone is an abuser. Those on the left tell us that while it's unwarranted to gain warrants for phone taps and surveillance under terror legislation for the above mentioned "mouthing off" families need professionals to regularly monitor them to prevent potential violence.
We also have no clue what the law actually says or how it will be applied. We have just been informed this father would have been prosecuted even if the old law was in place. But they also told us that legislative change was necessary because the old law allowed people to beat their children with planks of wood and could get away with almost anything. They also told us that this law does not mean smacking is illegal. In addition they told us that smacking was already illegal and always had been.
And it's not just this law. We have been told that the terrorism suppression act was incoherent and impossible to apply. At the same time the MP's were voting on a slightly amended version of the act and it passed with an overwhelming majority. We have heard that the Electoral Finance Bill law is confusing and difficult to interpret and could threaten our civil liberties.
But that's OK because, you can trust the police the courts and the government to rely on the law of commonsense. As you see from the examples above what our MP's consider commonsense is difficult to discern.
In a fallen world violence is sometimes necessary. But it needs to be regulated. A civil society needs clear laws that the population can understand and which it's reasonable to think most people can obey.
Exceptions to these laws need to be understandable and not excessively complex to apply. These laws need to be applied impartially to all people regardless of their political allegiances and people who are governed by these laws need to be able to find out what they are. Most importantly we need to be able to trust those in authority to competently establish and maintain such a system. New Zealand is failing to do this. Our leaders in parliament are all over the place, and we have no idea whether those in charge can be trusted to do what they are supposed to do or even know what they are doing. For these reasons people justifiably do not trust the courts or the police to be sensible in prosecuting assaults nor do they trust legislators to pass adequate laws about assault and. And that is the real tragedy of this case.
In the last 24 hours I have been following the debate over the father convicted of assault of his son. Predictably I have heard differing views from many people whose sense I respect. On the one hand I have heard that he was prosecuted for delivering three smacks. On the other I have heard that there were other factors, the man lost his temper and left bruises.
Reflecting on this has led me to wonder if there is more to this than the surface debate. Is this debate simply a symptom of a corruption of confidence that has occurred in the last few years (or even few months).
Under the old law we knew that a person accused of child abuse could argue that their act was reasonable in the circumstances. We knew also that 12 people, randomly selected from the population, screened for bias had examined the facts and we knew there were strict rules of evidence applied.
We also knew that the judiciary and police were independent of the government. And we knew that if an error was made we could appeal to higher independent tribunals if necessary. Hence if a person was prosecuted for "assaulting their child" we could have a degree of confidence they had done so unjustifiably. We also had some confidence that mistakes would be corrected. Of course the system was not perfect. It never is. But it was reliable.
Now we don't. There is no distinction between reasonable and reasonable force for correction in law. All force for correction no matter how minute is unreasonable under the letter of the law. We know that this is absurd and against common sense. However we are told that we do not have to worry because police can exercise discretion and we can trust them.
The problem is, many of the same people have just told us that the police cannot be trusted. In the last month we have been told that are police are racist and will accuse of terrorism without evidence often from the same community that supported appealing S 59.The greens have warned us that, under terrorism legislation that state have wide discretion that they can use the police to silence dissent apparently those in power can't be trusted to use commonsense in discretion. The Maori party has also told us that this police, whom can be trusted to exercise discretion, over react to allegations of violence and will proceed terrorize families and children in their zeal. Both these groups exhorted us to trust police discretion in their voting on s59. We know that only in the last 24 hours a high profile police officer, who has been dodged by rape charges for several years, has
resigned before he faced investigation on unspecified charges of misconduct.
We also know several of his colleagues have been convicted of rape. We also know that at least three MP's have committed assaults the police know it and they choose not to prosecute. We know that one of these MP's assaulted children while a teacher and this was not considered serious. We also know that the police seem to almost never prosecute labour MP's who commit crimes accept when those MP's are ones known to be offside with the PM. We also know however that they did try to Prosecute National MP Nick Smith and that merely owing 35$ to an MP warrants a police car to be dispatched to the creditors house. We also know that recently evidence suppressed by the courts was leaked to the media, and confident claims by people on the far
left is that that the police, whom these people assure us we can trust to not use their power unjustly, leaked the documents to subvert a fair trial.
As to the courts we have heard in the last 24 hours, again from the Greens, that the court may have convicted and innocent man for murder. We know also that the Privy Council overturned another murder conviction, one that had been subjected to intense review from all NZ's appeal courts, and described it as a miscarriage of justice. We also know that the privacy council has been scrapped, because the government considers it unnecessary, and that the ruling party now appoints the judges. We also are aware of evidence the court suppressed in the aforementioned police rape case may have lead to their conviction. We also suspect the courts have suppressed evidence which appears to provide a basis for thinking a group of people are terrorists.
We also have no idea what exactly our leaders consider reasonable or unreasonable force. We are told that violence is never OK. But that an MP who punches another will not face any serious ramification. We also know that a history of abusing children as a teacher does not disqualify you from being a government minister. While violence is never OK, we also are told that people who talk about killing pakeha, talk about engaging in armed insurgency, talk about assassinating people, also buy military weapons, dress as military soldiers and practice military style maneuvers are just mouthing of and it's an overreaction to think otherwise. Apparently activists on the left mouth off like this all the time. On the other hand we have heard that health professionals should should ask questions of all
women admitted to their care in order to screen for violence and abuse. And we know that these questions seem to work with a definition of abuse so broad that everyone is an abuser. Those on the left tell us that while it's unwarranted to gain warrants for phone taps and surveillance under terror legislation for the above mentioned "mouthing off" families need professionals to regularly monitor them to prevent potential violence.
We also have no clue what the law actually says or how it will be applied. We have just been informed this father would have been prosecuted even if the old law was in place. But they also told us that legislative change was necessary because the old law allowed people to beat their children with planks of wood and could get away with almost anything. They also told us that this law does not mean smacking is illegal. In addition they told us that smacking was already illegal and always had been.
And it's not just this law. We have been told that the terrorism suppression act was incoherent and impossible to apply. At the same time the MP's were voting on a slightly amended version of the act and it passed with an overwhelming majority. We have heard that the Electoral Finance Bill law is confusing and difficult to interpret and could threaten our civil liberties.
But that's OK because, you can trust the police the courts and the government to rely on the law of commonsense. As you see from the examples above what our MP's consider commonsense is difficult to discern.
In a fallen world violence is sometimes necessary. But it needs to be regulated. A civil society needs clear laws that the population can understand and which it's reasonable to think most people can obey.
Exceptions to these laws need to be understandable and not excessively complex to apply. These laws need to be applied impartially to all people regardless of their political allegiances and people who are governed by these laws need to be able to find out what they are. Most importantly we need to be able to trust those in authority to competently establish and maintain such a system. New Zealand is failing to do this. Our leaders in parliament are all over the place, and we have no idea whether those in charge can be trusted to do what they are supposed to do or even know what they are doing. For these reasons people justifiably do not trust the courts or the police to be sensible in prosecuting assaults nor do they trust legislators to pass adequate laws about assault and. And that is the real tragedy of this case.
Opportunity in Auckland this Saturday
23 November 2007
To: Larry Baldock
Subject: Opportunity in Auckland this Sunday
Hi,
I just received this email from Max about a gathering in Pah’s Park this Saturday.
I realise it is short notice but can anyone respond to this opportunity??
15,000 people is a lot of people.
Hey Larry,
You might get a group to go to the Ezekiel 33 gathering at Pah's park Glen Eden this coming Saturday,...as from 10am thru to 6pm. There will be 15,000 people there..some folks in our church are running a prayer tent ,and doing outreach ...this kind of place could give you petition a great boost.
Max
To: Larry Baldock
Subject: Opportunity in Auckland this Sunday
Hi,
I just received this email from Max about a gathering in Pah’s Park this Saturday.
I realise it is short notice but can anyone respond to this opportunity??
15,000 people is a lot of people.
Hey Larry,
You might get a group to go to the Ezekiel 33 gathering at Pah's park Glen Eden this coming Saturday,...as from 10am thru to 6pm. There will be 15,000 people there..some folks in our church are running a prayer tent ,and doing outreach ...this kind of place could give you petition a great boost.
Max
Thursday, 22 November 2007
Blog - nzconservative
http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2007/11/and-it-continues.html
This man's crime was to get angry. You shouldn't apply discipline when you are angry. Instead, the issue is cast as "smacking". Do you see the difference?
Is it so paranoid to expect a zero tolerance policy towards smacking in the future? One where government social workers remove children from parents immediately if the child should be physically disciplined. We wont hear about such cases, because they will not go to court. Parents will trade silence for access to their children.
In the leftist mind, physical punishment is far worse a crime than removing children from parents and placing them into the 'care of the state'. In the leftist mind, they believe smacking inevitably leads to beating children to death. Is it therefore possible to extrapolate that State intervention inevitably leads to splitting families apart in a far more damaging way than the passing sting of a smack?
Read more here:
http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2007/11/and-it-continues.html
This man's crime was to get angry. You shouldn't apply discipline when you are angry. Instead, the issue is cast as "smacking". Do you see the difference?
Is it so paranoid to expect a zero tolerance policy towards smacking in the future? One where government social workers remove children from parents immediately if the child should be physically disciplined. We wont hear about such cases, because they will not go to court. Parents will trade silence for access to their children.
In the leftist mind, physical punishment is far worse a crime than removing children from parents and placing them into the 'care of the state'. In the leftist mind, they believe smacking inevitably leads to beating children to death. Is it therefore possible to extrapolate that State intervention inevitably leads to splitting families apart in a far more damaging way than the passing sting of a smack?
Read more here:
http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2007/11/and-it-continues.html
blog - couragetotremble
Take a look at this blog:
This morning while I was driving to work, I was listening to Leighton Smith on Newstalk ZB. Considering that my ride only lasts 15 minutes and one must listen to several commercials as well, I managed to just catch just a little snippet of the discussion.
One caller spoke about how children needed a balance of love and firmness. Love without discipline, he explained, produced pampered and rude children. Firmness without love produced repressed children. But with the balance, you had children who respected others and who were also well liked......
read more here:
http://couragetotremble.wordpress.com/2007/11/21/newstalk-zb-one-my-way-to-work/
This morning while I was driving to work, I was listening to Leighton Smith on Newstalk ZB. Considering that my ride only lasts 15 minutes and one must listen to several commercials as well, I managed to just catch just a little snippet of the discussion.
One caller spoke about how children needed a balance of love and firmness. Love without discipline, he explained, produced pampered and rude children. Firmness without love produced repressed children. But with the balance, you had children who respected others and who were also well liked......
read more here:
http://couragetotremble.wordpress.com/2007/11/21/newstalk-zb-one-my-way-to-work/
Media
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0711/S00382.htm
Double standards on smacking law
Thursday, 22 November 2007, 2:11 pm
Press Release: The Family Party
Double standards on smacking law
Richard Lewis, leader of The Family Party, says yesterday’s criminal conviction of a Masterton father who smacked his child three times on the bottom with an open palm is a massive over-reaction and the outcome of very bad, anti-family law.
“Based on the details that I'm aware of, this father was doing the responsible thing of addressing his son’s bad behaviour at school. He’s done what many thousands of responsible kiwi dads have done in the past and probably continue to do, and that’s smack their son on the bottom with an open palm in appropriate circumstances,” says Mr Lewis.
He says parents should maintain the right to apply responsible corrective discipline in their home without fear of prosecution.
“We are all against abuse. But there is a world of difference between abuse and an open palm smack on the bottom. Most New Zealand parents know the difference. The hypocrisy of all of this is that a senior government minister can punch a fellow MP in the face and get away with it while this father is dragged before the courts and given a criminal conviction,” Mr Lewis added.
He warns that parents found in similar circumstances are in grave danger of unwarranted state intervention and prosecution.
The Family Party aims to restore parental protection by reinstating Section 59 of the Crimes Act, which allowed parents to use ‘reasonable’ force in circumstances deemed to be appropriate and reasonable.
ends
Double standards on smacking law
Thursday, 22 November 2007, 2:11 pm
Press Release: The Family Party
Double standards on smacking law
Richard Lewis, leader of The Family Party, says yesterday’s criminal conviction of a Masterton father who smacked his child three times on the bottom with an open palm is a massive over-reaction and the outcome of very bad, anti-family law.
“Based on the details that I'm aware of, this father was doing the responsible thing of addressing his son’s bad behaviour at school. He’s done what many thousands of responsible kiwi dads have done in the past and probably continue to do, and that’s smack their son on the bottom with an open palm in appropriate circumstances,” says Mr Lewis.
He says parents should maintain the right to apply responsible corrective discipline in their home without fear of prosecution.
“We are all against abuse. But there is a world of difference between abuse and an open palm smack on the bottom. Most New Zealand parents know the difference. The hypocrisy of all of this is that a senior government minister can punch a fellow MP in the face and get away with it while this father is dragged before the courts and given a criminal conviction,” Mr Lewis added.
He warns that parents found in similar circumstances are in grave danger of unwarranted state intervention and prosecution.
The Family Party aims to restore parental protection by reinstating Section 59 of the Crimes Act, which allowed parents to use ‘reasonable’ force in circumstances deemed to be appropriate and reasonable.
ends
FI - 316
22 November 2007 - Family Integrity #316 -- CIR Update no 17
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Baldock [mailto:l.baldock@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:29 PM
To: CIR.Petition@xtra.co.nz
Subject: CIR Update no 17
Hi once again,
We had a massive week last week with Andy Moore and his team collecting a fantastic total of 5610 over the three days at the A & P show. They were ably assisted on Thursday by Craig Hill and on Friday by Bob McCoskrie who flew down from Auckland to help and that was very much appreciated.
The total for the week was over 8,000!
So the new total is now 225,052!
I think what we have learnt from Christchurch is that it is worthwhile getting a table inside these exhibitions if possible and forming a team to make a concentrated effort rather than operating from outside the gates. It is not always possible to get inside, but worth the cost when we do.
I am compiling a list of all the A & P shows occurring around the country before our target date of March 1st to collect the 300,000 signatures we need.
If you want to have a look now and see if there is one near you click on http://www.ras.org.nz/ and you will find the schedules and contact details. The sooner we book a space the better.
Between now and Christmas there will be a number of cities which will have 'Christmas in the Park' type events. Do what you can to get a table set up there by contacting the organisers for permission. If it is in a public park ask the Council for permission to be on the side walk just outside where people are walking in. I have found our Council here in Tauranga very helpful with such permission so long as we do not block the path or harass anyone.
This weekend Barbara and I will head to Taupo for the Great Cycle Challenge where there are tens of thousands gathered. If anyone is interested in joining us for a fun day collecting please let me know. (my cell is 021864833)
Then on Dec 1st we have a table at the Fielding A & P show. Volunteers welcome.
All the best as you make plans for the holidays and time with your loved ones and family.
I will send one final update for this year after the Fielding show. Lets all do what we can to make that total as close to 250,000 as we can by then.
Regards
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Baldock [mailto:l.baldock@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:29 PM
To: CIR.Petition@xtra.co.nz
Subject: CIR Update no 17
Hi once again,
We had a massive week last week with Andy Moore and his team collecting a fantastic total of 5610 over the three days at the A & P show. They were ably assisted on Thursday by Craig Hill and on Friday by Bob McCoskrie who flew down from Auckland to help and that was very much appreciated.
The total for the week was over 8,000!
So the new total is now 225,052!
I think what we have learnt from Christchurch is that it is worthwhile getting a table inside these exhibitions if possible and forming a team to make a concentrated effort rather than operating from outside the gates. It is not always possible to get inside, but worth the cost when we do.
I am compiling a list of all the A & P shows occurring around the country before our target date of March 1st to collect the 300,000 signatures we need.
If you want to have a look now and see if there is one near you click on http://www.ras.org.nz/ and you will find the schedules and contact details. The sooner we book a space the better.
Between now and Christmas there will be a number of cities which will have 'Christmas in the Park' type events. Do what you can to get a table set up there by contacting the organisers for permission. If it is in a public park ask the Council for permission to be on the side walk just outside where people are walking in. I have found our Council here in Tauranga very helpful with such permission so long as we do not block the path or harass anyone.
This weekend Barbara and I will head to Taupo for the Great Cycle Challenge where there are tens of thousands gathered. If anyone is interested in joining us for a fun day collecting please let me know. (my cell is 021864833)
Then on Dec 1st we have a table at the Fielding A & P show. Volunteers welcome.
All the best as you make plans for the holidays and time with your loved ones and family.
I will send one final update for this year after the Fielding show. Lets all do what we can to make that total as close to 250,000 as we can by then.
Regards
Larry
Media
MEDIA RELEASE
22 November 2007
Key Must Commit to Protecting Good Families From Bad Smacking Law
Family First NZ is calling on National leader John Key to commit to changing the anti-smacking law after a father was the first parent convicted of assault for smacking his 8-year old on the bottom.
“John Key said that the law should not criminalise good parents for lightly smacking their children,” says Bob McCoskrie, National Director of Family First NZ. “Here we have a young family, an expectant mother, a father attempting to do his very best, and a law which treats him as a criminal rather than a system that offers the support, encouragement and resources they may need.”
“While community organisations working with at-risk families and Plunket are driven to their knees because of a lack of adequate funding, there seems to be no shortage of resources in investigating good parents who use a light smack.”
Family First has highlighted five cases already where CYF and Police have conducted intensive investigations of families simply because of supposed ‘abuse’, including a grandmother interviewed by police for smacking a swearing granddaughter in a Warehouse store, three police appearing on the doorstep of a home where a 2 year old was having a bedtime tantrum, and a mother dobbed into CYF by the local school.
There are similar cases being notified to Family First NZ on a weekly basis.
“And many parents are confirming that children are telling them “you can’t touch me or I’ll tell the police’”
“We are creating a ‘paranoid parenting’ environment,” says Mr McCoskrie.
“This case has confirmed kiwi parents’ worst nightmare. This law will target good parents while child abuse continues at the same rate, and the real causes of family breakdown and stress, drug and alcohol abuse, poverty and other significant issues are ignored.”
“The predictions made by the many community groups and 83% of NZ’ers opposing this law have, unfortunately, proved true.”
ENDS
For More Information and Media Interviews, contact Family First:
Bob McCoskrie JP - National Director
Tel. 09 261 2426 | Mob. 027 55 555 42
22 November 2007
Key Must Commit to Protecting Good Families From Bad Smacking Law
Family First NZ is calling on National leader John Key to commit to changing the anti-smacking law after a father was the first parent convicted of assault for smacking his 8-year old on the bottom.
“John Key said that the law should not criminalise good parents for lightly smacking their children,” says Bob McCoskrie, National Director of Family First NZ. “Here we have a young family, an expectant mother, a father attempting to do his very best, and a law which treats him as a criminal rather than a system that offers the support, encouragement and resources they may need.”
“While community organisations working with at-risk families and Plunket are driven to their knees because of a lack of adequate funding, there seems to be no shortage of resources in investigating good parents who use a light smack.”
Family First has highlighted five cases already where CYF and Police have conducted intensive investigations of families simply because of supposed ‘abuse’, including a grandmother interviewed by police for smacking a swearing granddaughter in a Warehouse store, three police appearing on the doorstep of a home where a 2 year old was having a bedtime tantrum, and a mother dobbed into CYF by the local school.
There are similar cases being notified to Family First NZ on a weekly basis.
“And many parents are confirming that children are telling them “you can’t touch me or I’ll tell the police’”
“We are creating a ‘paranoid parenting’ environment,” says Mr McCoskrie.
“This case has confirmed kiwi parents’ worst nightmare. This law will target good parents while child abuse continues at the same rate, and the real causes of family breakdown and stress, drug and alcohol abuse, poverty and other significant issues are ignored.”
“The predictions made by the many community groups and 83% of NZ’ers opposing this law have, unfortunately, proved true.”
ENDS
For More Information and Media Interviews, contact Family First:
Bob McCoskrie JP - National Director
Tel. 09 261 2426 | Mob. 027 55 555 42
FI - 315
22 November 2007 - Family Integrity #315 -- A&P Show: thanks guys!
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:05 AM
Subject: A&P Show: thanks guys!
Hi guys,
It's about 4 days since the A&P Show in Christchurch ended. I'm sorry I haven't sent this update out sooner, but I've been on dial-up internet for a week, plus been really busy, so haven't got round to it until now.
First of all, a huge thanks to our excellent team. I was especially impressed by four young ladies, who hadn't done this sort of thing before, but they launched themselves into it without any hesitation. Impressed doesn't do it justice, they had the arguments down to a T, calling out to people who were walking past and also getting out into the crowd with clipboards. You guys know who you are - so thanks heaps for your effort there!
Wednesday: 680 signatures
Thursday: 2,020 signatures
Friday: 2,910 signatures
Total for the A&P Show was 5,610. We smashed the record for all of New Zealand - thanks so much to you guys who made it happen. We went from needing 80,000 signatures to needing about 74,000 in just three days, absolutely spectacular effort!
A big thanks also has to go out to the mums who came along and helped. Five or six mums I think, from all over the south Island - fantastic!
Bob McCoskrie from Family First http;//www.familyfirst.org.nz and Craig Hill from Unity for Liberty http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz both made time to fly down from Auckland and help us out - much appreciated!
Christchurch. I need people for this Saturday (24 November).
This Saturday we plan to collect signatures first in Hagley Park near the pedestrian overbridge into the Botanic Gardens (call 03 357 4599 to let us know if you can help with this), and...
Coca Cola Christmas in the Park is also on on Saturday night. I need a team of volunteers to collect signatures from people as they go into the concert.
These are two great opportunities people, don't let us down, get in touch with me - come along for even just 2 hours if you can, it all counts!
If you read this far down the email - pat yourself on the back for your non-apathetic attitude. Apathy among Christians and other thinking people is the number one reason why our country is in trouble. If you are active yourself, please try and get those around you to get a rocket under them. If you're not active yourself... well, please think seriously about this issue - the new anti-smacking law is a direct assult upon Christians, families, Churches, the Bible, you and me.
Auckland. The challenge is there for you. If the team up in Auckland can beat 2,910signatures in one day, there will be a few big boxes of chocolates heading up your way.
Remember. All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
See you all again very soon at our next signature gathering event,
http://unityforliberty.net.nz/table-challenge.html has details of campaigns being run throughout New Zealand.
Kind Regards,
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
God Defend New Zealand
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:05 AM
Subject: A&P Show: thanks guys!
Hi guys,
It's about 4 days since the A&P Show in Christchurch ended. I'm sorry I haven't sent this update out sooner, but I've been on dial-up internet for a week, plus been really busy, so haven't got round to it until now.
First of all, a huge thanks to our excellent team. I was especially impressed by four young ladies, who hadn't done this sort of thing before, but they launched themselves into it without any hesitation. Impressed doesn't do it justice, they had the arguments down to a T, calling out to people who were walking past and also getting out into the crowd with clipboards. You guys know who you are - so thanks heaps for your effort there!
Wednesday: 680 signatures
Thursday: 2,020 signatures
Friday: 2,910 signatures
Total for the A&P Show was 5,610. We smashed the record for all of New Zealand - thanks so much to you guys who made it happen. We went from needing 80,000 signatures to needing about 74,000 in just three days, absolutely spectacular effort!
A big thanks also has to go out to the mums who came along and helped. Five or six mums I think, from all over the south Island - fantastic!
Bob McCoskrie from Family First http;//www.familyfirst.org.nz and Craig Hill from Unity for Liberty http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz both made time to fly down from Auckland and help us out - much appreciated!
Christchurch. I need people for this Saturday (24 November).
This Saturday we plan to collect signatures first in Hagley Park near the pedestrian overbridge into the Botanic Gardens (call 03 357 4599 to let us know if you can help with this), and...
Coca Cola Christmas in the Park is also on on Saturday night. I need a team of volunteers to collect signatures from people as they go into the concert.
These are two great opportunities people, don't let us down, get in touch with me - come along for even just 2 hours if you can, it all counts!
If you read this far down the email - pat yourself on the back for your non-apathetic attitude. Apathy among Christians and other thinking people is the number one reason why our country is in trouble. If you are active yourself, please try and get those around you to get a rocket under them. If you're not active yourself... well, please think seriously about this issue - the new anti-smacking law is a direct assult upon Christians, families, Churches, the Bible, you and me.
Auckland. The challenge is there for you. If the team up in Auckland can beat 2,910signatures in one day, there will be a few big boxes of chocolates heading up your way.
Remember. All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
See you all again very soon at our next signature gathering event,
http://unityforliberty.net.nz/table-challenge.html has details of campaigns being run throughout New Zealand.
Kind Regards,
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
God Defend New Zealand
Media
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4283366a10.html
Three smacks and he's 'guilty'
By TANYA KATTERNS - The Dominion Post | Thursday, 22 November 2007
A father who spanked his eight-year-old son on the bottom three times for misbehaving at school is one of the first to be convicted of assault under the law against smacking.
The Masterton man was sentenced to nine months' supervision yesterday after admitting he had grabbed his son by the shoulder, held him on his knee and hit him with an open hand.
Green MP Sue Bradford has welcomed the conviction, saying the case is a good example of the May law change working as intended.
The controversial legislation removed the defence of reasonable force for parents who physically discipline their children.
But opponents say the conviction is a disgrace.
Family First national director Bob McCroskrie said parents had every reason to be concerned.
"It's the first of what's going to be many cases of the law targeting good parents. Our predictions have come true."
Masterton District Court judge Anthony Walsh told the man, whose wife is expecting their fourth child: "While you may have gotten away with this in the past, it is a case of not now."
The father, 33, who has name suppression to protect his son's identity, smacked his son on October 29. He had returned home from work to hear that his son had caused some problems at school.
The boy was in his bedroom and his father decided to confront him about his behaviour, the court was told.
Becoming frustrated, the father grabbed his son's clothes at the shoulder and pulled him on to the bed.
The father then flipped the boy over his knee and smacked him three times on the bottom with an open palm, before roughly sitting him back up.
The eight-year-old had bruising to his shoulder, the court was told.
The boy's mother, pregnant with the couple's fourth child, is understood to have taken a photograph of the bruise and shown it to a relative, who told police several days later.
The father admitted he had lost his temper. He refused to comment as he left court.
Judge Walsh, hearing the case in Masterton's newly established domestic violence court, said the smacking law change had redefined the way old attitudes toward disciplining children were viewed.
"Our law was recently amended to make it clear that children should be protected. There are other ways that must be taken to discipline children, short of violence, and that means time out and loss of privileges."
Judge Walsh told the father: "A lot of us are parents, we know children can be challenging - but we are the adults."
The father, who pleaded guilty to assault, and his wife had already sought help with anger management, parenting skills and relationship counselling before yesterday's sentencing.
He was sentenced to nine months' supervision - which means the state will now pay for the counselling.
The law took effect in June, after National inserted a clause stating police should not prosecute inconsequential smacking, though guidelines for officers do not define "inconsequential".
Police were told by their bosses that it would be a matter for the courts to determine in test cases.
Ms Bradford said she was pleased the case had been prosecuted.
"Hitting a child is an assault and there is no longer the protection that there used to be where a case like this would never go before the courts."
Police national headquarters had no figures on smacking-related convictions since June. A report is being prepared.
Three smacks and he's 'guilty'
By TANYA KATTERNS - The Dominion Post | Thursday, 22 November 2007
A father who spanked his eight-year-old son on the bottom three times for misbehaving at school is one of the first to be convicted of assault under the law against smacking.
The Masterton man was sentenced to nine months' supervision yesterday after admitting he had grabbed his son by the shoulder, held him on his knee and hit him with an open hand.
Green MP Sue Bradford has welcomed the conviction, saying the case is a good example of the May law change working as intended.
The controversial legislation removed the defence of reasonable force for parents who physically discipline their children.
But opponents say the conviction is a disgrace.
Family First national director Bob McCroskrie said parents had every reason to be concerned.
"It's the first of what's going to be many cases of the law targeting good parents. Our predictions have come true."
Masterton District Court judge Anthony Walsh told the man, whose wife is expecting their fourth child: "While you may have gotten away with this in the past, it is a case of not now."
The father, 33, who has name suppression to protect his son's identity, smacked his son on October 29. He had returned home from work to hear that his son had caused some problems at school.
The boy was in his bedroom and his father decided to confront him about his behaviour, the court was told.
Becoming frustrated, the father grabbed his son's clothes at the shoulder and pulled him on to the bed.
The father then flipped the boy over his knee and smacked him three times on the bottom with an open palm, before roughly sitting him back up.
The eight-year-old had bruising to his shoulder, the court was told.
The boy's mother, pregnant with the couple's fourth child, is understood to have taken a photograph of the bruise and shown it to a relative, who told police several days later.
The father admitted he had lost his temper. He refused to comment as he left court.
Judge Walsh, hearing the case in Masterton's newly established domestic violence court, said the smacking law change had redefined the way old attitudes toward disciplining children were viewed.
"Our law was recently amended to make it clear that children should be protected. There are other ways that must be taken to discipline children, short of violence, and that means time out and loss of privileges."
Judge Walsh told the father: "A lot of us are parents, we know children can be challenging - but we are the adults."
The father, who pleaded guilty to assault, and his wife had already sought help with anger management, parenting skills and relationship counselling before yesterday's sentencing.
He was sentenced to nine months' supervision - which means the state will now pay for the counselling.
The law took effect in June, after National inserted a clause stating police should not prosecute inconsequential smacking, though guidelines for officers do not define "inconsequential".
Police were told by their bosses that it would be a matter for the courts to determine in test cases.
Ms Bradford said she was pleased the case had been prosecuted.
"Hitting a child is an assault and there is no longer the protection that there used to be where a case like this would never go before the courts."
Police national headquarters had no figures on smacking-related convictions since June. A report is being prepared.
Christchurch
I need people for this Saturday (24 November).
This Saturday we plan to collect signatures first in Hagley Park near the pedestrian overbridge into the Botanic Gardens (call 03 357 4599 to let us know if you can help with this), and...
Coca Cola Christmas in the Park is also on on Saturday night. I need a team of volunteers to collect signatures from people as they go into the concert.
These are two great opportunities people, don't let us down, get in touch with me - come along for even just 2 hours if you can, it all counts!
Remember. All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
God Defend New Zealand
This Saturday we plan to collect signatures first in Hagley Park near the pedestrian overbridge into the Botanic Gardens (call 03 357 4599 to let us know if you can help with this), and...
Coca Cola Christmas in the Park is also on on Saturday night. I need a team of volunteers to collect signatures from people as they go into the concert.
These are two great opportunities people, don't let us down, get in touch with me - come along for even just 2 hours if you can, it all counts!
Remember. All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
God Defend New Zealand
Tuesday, 20 November 2007
FI - 314
20 November 2007 - Family Integrity #314 -- Good news of U4L update
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:02 PM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L update
Hi All,
I am considering traveling down to Wellington for the electoral finance march on Wednesday, is there anyone who can help collect signatures at the beginning and end of the march? We had a good response in Auckland and expect the same in Wellington.
Could you please let me know if you are available, looking forward to meeting those from the area. contact craig@unityforliberty.net.nz
Thanks,
Craig
ph 021 746 113
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
Results from last week efforts....
Great week just gone:
Christchurch A&P
numbers Day one 680
Day two 2020
Day three 2910
Wellington 59
Porirua 100
Ellerslie Flower Show 213
Highland Games 280
Auckland March 530
North Shore 310
Manurewa 40
7142 Not bad, best week yet
This is what I enjoy reading....
Manning a table can be quite daunting first time up, Lynne from North Shore felt this. However that all changed quickly, she found the public very encouraging and 310signatures later she was heading home and looking forward to next week, well done.
Dear Craig,
Thank you for encouraging us to take part in collecting signatures for the petitions of Sheryl Savill and Larry Baldock for a Citizens Initiated Referendum.
We had six persons in our team, starting at 11am and finishing at 3pm. We had wonderful weather during the collection of signatures. At least 60% of the people that past us signed one or both petitions. We were situated along side the footpath near the back entrance of the Ellerslie Flowershow in the Manukau Botanical Garden at Manurewa. When we set up the table, we were told by the Traffic Warden at that point that we had to move away from the corner at the entrance to the show, as we would be a hindrance to the traffic flow to and from the show. We obeyed by moving five meters from the corner but leaving a sign on the fence at the corner. People were coming to our table as soon as we were set up. At times cued up during the day to have access to the four boards on the table. Within an half hour The traffic attendant came to us again telling us to move the signs from the fence as the bus drivers had complained about them. We moved the signs from the corner by a few meters, which must have satisfied the traffic Warden because we did not hear from him again. At 1pm I offered him an apple as we had lunch and he had not yet had his lunch. He thanked us for the kind offer but no he would get a free lunch soon. At three pm he permitted us to bring in our car to pick up the table, chairs and signs. He had also signed the petition that afternoon. We have collected 213 signatures for the Sheryl Savill petition and 194 signatures for the Larry Baldock petition. We had only positive comments from those who signed the petitions. We enjoyed the work, thanks for the opportunity.
Albert
-----
All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" (Edmund Burke 1729-1797)
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:02 PM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L update
Hi All,
I am considering traveling down to Wellington for the electoral finance march on Wednesday, is there anyone who can help collect signatures at the beginning and end of the march? We had a good response in Auckland and expect the same in Wellington.
Could you please let me know if you are available, looking forward to meeting those from the area. contact craig@unityforliberty.net.nz
Thanks,
Craig
ph 021 746 113
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
Results from last week efforts....
Great week just gone:
Christchurch A&P
numbers Day one 680
Day two 2020
Day three 2910
Wellington 59
Porirua 100
Ellerslie Flower Show 213
Highland Games 280
Auckland March 530
North Shore 310
Manurewa 40
7142 Not bad, best week yet
This is what I enjoy reading....
Manning a table can be quite daunting first time up, Lynne from North Shore felt this. However that all changed quickly, she found the public very encouraging and 310signatures later she was heading home and looking forward to next week, well done.
Dear Craig,
Thank you for encouraging us to take part in collecting signatures for the petitions of Sheryl Savill and Larry Baldock for a Citizens Initiated Referendum.
We had six persons in our team, starting at 11am and finishing at 3pm. We had wonderful weather during the collection of signatures. At least 60% of the people that past us signed one or both petitions. We were situated along side the footpath near the back entrance of the Ellerslie Flowershow in the Manukau Botanical Garden at Manurewa. When we set up the table, we were told by the Traffic Warden at that point that we had to move away from the corner at the entrance to the show, as we would be a hindrance to the traffic flow to and from the show. We obeyed by moving five meters from the corner but leaving a sign on the fence at the corner. People were coming to our table as soon as we were set up. At times cued up during the day to have access to the four boards on the table. Within an half hour The traffic attendant came to us again telling us to move the signs from the fence as the bus drivers had complained about them. We moved the signs from the corner by a few meters, which must have satisfied the traffic Warden because we did not hear from him again. At 1pm I offered him an apple as we had lunch and he had not yet had his lunch. He thanked us for the kind offer but no he would get a free lunch soon. At three pm he permitted us to bring in our car to pick up the table, chairs and signs. He had also signed the petition that afternoon. We have collected 213 signatures for the Sheryl Savill petition and 194 signatures for the Larry Baldock petition. We had only positive comments from those who signed the petitions. We enjoyed the work, thanks for the opportunity.
Albert
-----
All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" (Edmund Burke 1729-1797)
Monday, 19 November 2007
Media
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4278853a10.html
Hands off our lives say voters
By TRACY WATKINS - The Dominion Post | Monday, 19 November 2007
Voters fear Government is exerting too much control over their lives - and they believe it has got worse in the past two years.
The finding in the latest Fairfax Media-Nielsen poll suggests the backlash over the so-called anti-smacking bill has left its mark, but could also be a response to the campaign against Labour's bid to overhaul electoral finance laws with a regime criticised as draconian and a limit on free speech.
Two thousand people protested in Auckland at the weekend against the Electoral Finance Bill, due to be reported back to Parliament today after being watered down by a select committee.
In a poll of 1082 voters, people were asked whether the Government had more control over people's daily lives than they would like and 57 per cent answered yes. A further 37 per cent of voters rejected the proposition and 6 per cent did not know.
When asked whether the level of control had increased, decreased or stayed the same over the last two years, 61 per cent said it had increased, which points to the smacking debate as a major factor.
Civil unions, Labour's push to decriminalise prostitution and even sensitivity over the recent police raids may be other factors.
Labour has come under concerted attack from National and conservative Christian groups for running a "nanny state" agenda.
Family Party co-leader Richard Lewis said the Labour Government had continued to ram through unpopular policies.
"The message I've been getting for some time now is that the Government has been stepping into areas they shouldn't be when it comes to parental responsibility and the balance of rights of New Zealanders," he said.
Labour's backing for the smacking legislation - which removes the defence of reasonable force for parents facing child abuse charges - sparked one of its biggest declines in popularity since it got into government.
The latest poll shows Labour back on the path to recovery, with 40 per cent support, just 5 points behind National. But it suggests some concerns about government interference have stuck.
Six months on from the introduction of the new smacking laws, however, those working at the coalface say fears that sparked the backlash have proved unfounded.
Police are due to release a major review of the change within weeks, but family law and child welfare experts say there has been no noticeable change to the way child violence is being reported.
There have been just two media reports of possible cases of parents being reported for smacking, with no action taken, while Child, Youth and Family reports there has been no significant rise in child abuse notifications since the law change....
Hands off our lives say voters
By TRACY WATKINS - The Dominion Post | Monday, 19 November 2007
Voters fear Government is exerting too much control over their lives - and they believe it has got worse in the past two years.
The finding in the latest Fairfax Media-Nielsen poll suggests the backlash over the so-called anti-smacking bill has left its mark, but could also be a response to the campaign against Labour's bid to overhaul electoral finance laws with a regime criticised as draconian and a limit on free speech.
Two thousand people protested in Auckland at the weekend against the Electoral Finance Bill, due to be reported back to Parliament today after being watered down by a select committee.
In a poll of 1082 voters, people were asked whether the Government had more control over people's daily lives than they would like and 57 per cent answered yes. A further 37 per cent of voters rejected the proposition and 6 per cent did not know.
When asked whether the level of control had increased, decreased or stayed the same over the last two years, 61 per cent said it had increased, which points to the smacking debate as a major factor.
Civil unions, Labour's push to decriminalise prostitution and even sensitivity over the recent police raids may be other factors.
Labour has come under concerted attack from National and conservative Christian groups for running a "nanny state" agenda.
Family Party co-leader Richard Lewis said the Labour Government had continued to ram through unpopular policies.
"The message I've been getting for some time now is that the Government has been stepping into areas they shouldn't be when it comes to parental responsibility and the balance of rights of New Zealanders," he said.
Labour's backing for the smacking legislation - which removes the defence of reasonable force for parents facing child abuse charges - sparked one of its biggest declines in popularity since it got into government.
The latest poll shows Labour back on the path to recovery, with 40 per cent support, just 5 points behind National. But it suggests some concerns about government interference have stuck.
Six months on from the introduction of the new smacking laws, however, those working at the coalface say fears that sparked the backlash have proved unfounded.
Police are due to release a major review of the change within weeks, but family law and child welfare experts say there has been no noticeable change to the way child violence is being reported.
There have been just two media reports of possible cases of parents being reported for smacking, with no action taken, while Child, Youth and Family reports there has been no significant rise in child abuse notifications since the law change....
Friday, 16 November 2007
Sweden
15 November 2007 - Smacked 5-year old - father acquitted
Dear All,
On Nov 9, inst. Ystad District Court acquitted a father who had smacked his 5-year old daughter. I have translated an article that was published in Aftonbladet for your convenience.
This case, like the 2004 case with the 15 year old who spat in her stepfather's face, is going to get a lot of attention.
I guess people are starting to realise that "We are bringing up a generation of monsters" that Linda Skugge wrote about and that really "The children are embarrassing Sweden" to quote Roger Lord. And maybe they are beginning to realise that it is better to smack them to change their ways than have some desperate parents shoot them off in an attempt to protect their families, like the case in Rodeby http://www.thelocal.se/8756/20071011/ on October 6, inst.
Sincerely
Ruby Harrold-Claesson
Sweden
Attorney-at-law
President of the NCHR/NKMR
http://www.nkmr.org
Smacked 5-year old - father acquitted
He admitted smacking the District Court meant that the blows were not hard enough
Aftonbladet - 2007-11-14
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article1250685.ab
A father in southern Skåne has been acquitted, in spite of him admitting to smacking his 5 year old daughter.
The District Court's views are that the blows should not be judged as abuse.
The reactions to the verdict came immediately.
A faulty verdict. I expect that it is going to be changed in the appeal, says Göran Harnesk, general secretary for Children's rights in the Society (Bris), to the Telegram Bureau.
According to the District Court, the 54 yr old father from Skåne, has smacked his daughter's bottom on several occasions. But the corrections have not been sufficiently long lasting and intense for him to be punished. The pain has not been sufficiently serious, according to the Court. Göran Harnesk thinks it is the wrong way to reason.
Zero tolerance is what it is about. A child can feel bad even if it doesn't feel physical pain. It is the belittling that is decisive, he says.
Convincing impression
The judge and one of the lay-judges gave dissenting opinions and wanted to sentence the father to fines for assault to a lesser degree. However, the Court was unanimous in acquitting the girl's 42-year old mother, who admitted that she had "flicked" her on the head on one occasion when she was stubborn. That, according to the verdict, does not meet the level of punishable abuse.
It was the girl who spontaneously started telling a nurse about her punishments when she attended her five year health examination. I a video filmed questioning the girl said "Daddy has smacked me on my bottom so it hurt when he had come home from work and was very angry. ...Also Mamma hit me on my head once so it hurt."
According to the District Court the girl gave a mature and convincing impression. Her parents have explained their actions by the girl's stubbornness.
Clear legislation
The Children's ombudsman (CO) Lena Nyberg is not allowed to comment on particular cases, but she points out that Sweden has a very clear legislation concerning child abuse.
- Adults are not allowed to use physical punishment or violence towards children.
The CO deems that there is the need for a new information campaign about adult's violence towards children like the one that was staged when the anti-smacking law was passed in 1979.
- Now there is a new generation of parents who perhaps need to be informed that it is forbidden and what they should do instead of using violence when the feel that they are not on top of the situation, Nyberg says.
The Telegram Bureau was unsuccessful in reaching the prosecutor, but the lawyer Hans Hulthén, who represented the girl, has told the Skåne Daily that he is considering an appeal to the Court of Appeal.
Facts: Previous acquittal was overturned
In 2004 a man was acquitted by the Varberg District Court, in spite of the fact that he had smacked and pushed his 15-year old stepdaughter. The verdict was changed in the Court of Appeal and the man was sentenced to fines for petty abuse.
Smacking is prohibited in Sweden since 1979. From 1980 to 2000 it seems that the number of children who were smacked declined. Since then the numbers have been on the increase. According to an investigation made by the University of Karlstad and the Children's home Charity, 1,1 percent of the parents who were interviewed in 2000 admitted that they had smacked their child. In 2006 the number was 2.3 percent.
During the first half of this year there were 714 police notifications about abuse of small children, according to the National Council for Crime Prevention. The reports have been increasing for several years.
Dear All,
On Nov 9, inst. Ystad District Court acquitted a father who had smacked his 5-year old daughter. I have translated an article that was published in Aftonbladet for your convenience.
This case, like the 2004 case with the 15 year old who spat in her stepfather's face, is going to get a lot of attention.
I guess people are starting to realise that "We are bringing up a generation of monsters" that Linda Skugge wrote about and that really "The children are embarrassing Sweden" to quote Roger Lord. And maybe they are beginning to realise that it is better to smack them to change their ways than have some desperate parents shoot them off in an attempt to protect their families, like the case in Rodeby http://www.thelocal.se/8756/20071011/ on October 6, inst.
Sincerely
Ruby Harrold-Claesson
Sweden
Attorney-at-law
President of the NCHR/NKMR
http://www.nkmr.org
Smacked 5-year old - father acquitted
He admitted smacking the District Court meant that the blows were not hard enough
Aftonbladet - 2007-11-14
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article1250685.ab
A father in southern Skåne has been acquitted, in spite of him admitting to smacking his 5 year old daughter.
The District Court's views are that the blows should not be judged as abuse.
The reactions to the verdict came immediately.
A faulty verdict. I expect that it is going to be changed in the appeal, says Göran Harnesk, general secretary for Children's rights in the Society (Bris), to the Telegram Bureau.
According to the District Court, the 54 yr old father from Skåne, has smacked his daughter's bottom on several occasions. But the corrections have not been sufficiently long lasting and intense for him to be punished. The pain has not been sufficiently serious, according to the Court. Göran Harnesk thinks it is the wrong way to reason.
Zero tolerance is what it is about. A child can feel bad even if it doesn't feel physical pain. It is the belittling that is decisive, he says.
Convincing impression
The judge and one of the lay-judges gave dissenting opinions and wanted to sentence the father to fines for assault to a lesser degree. However, the Court was unanimous in acquitting the girl's 42-year old mother, who admitted that she had "flicked" her on the head on one occasion when she was stubborn. That, according to the verdict, does not meet the level of punishable abuse.
It was the girl who spontaneously started telling a nurse about her punishments when she attended her five year health examination. I a video filmed questioning the girl said "Daddy has smacked me on my bottom so it hurt when he had come home from work and was very angry. ...Also Mamma hit me on my head once so it hurt."
According to the District Court the girl gave a mature and convincing impression. Her parents have explained their actions by the girl's stubbornness.
Clear legislation
The Children's ombudsman (CO) Lena Nyberg is not allowed to comment on particular cases, but she points out that Sweden has a very clear legislation concerning child abuse.
- Adults are not allowed to use physical punishment or violence towards children.
The CO deems that there is the need for a new information campaign about adult's violence towards children like the one that was staged when the anti-smacking law was passed in 1979.
- Now there is a new generation of parents who perhaps need to be informed that it is forbidden and what they should do instead of using violence when the feel that they are not on top of the situation, Nyberg says.
The Telegram Bureau was unsuccessful in reaching the prosecutor, but the lawyer Hans Hulthén, who represented the girl, has told the Skåne Daily that he is considering an appeal to the Court of Appeal.
Facts: Previous acquittal was overturned
In 2004 a man was acquitted by the Varberg District Court, in spite of the fact that he had smacked and pushed his 15-year old stepdaughter. The verdict was changed in the Court of Appeal and the man was sentenced to fines for petty abuse.
Smacking is prohibited in Sweden since 1979. From 1980 to 2000 it seems that the number of children who were smacked declined. Since then the numbers have been on the increase. According to an investigation made by the University of Karlstad and the Children's home Charity, 1,1 percent of the parents who were interviewed in 2000 admitted that they had smacked their child. In 2006 the number was 2.3 percent.
During the first half of this year there were 714 police notifications about abuse of small children, according to the National Council for Crime Prevention. The reports have been increasing for several years.
Media
16 November 2007 - The Family Party - Anti Smacking Law Poses Significant Risks
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0711/S00277.htm
Anti Smacking Law Poses Significant Risks
Friday, 16 November 2007, 11:07 am
Press Release: The Family Party
Richard Lewis, Leader of THE FAMILY PARTY, says a recent report from the Ministry of Social Development that there has not been a “huge increase in numbers of notifications,” since the law was passed in May, is no reflection of the ever-present danger the law poses to New Zealand families.
“The government is hardly in a position to make credible statements on the affects of a law they rammed through parliament despite overwhelming public opposition. What we do know is that the law has not stopped incidents of abuse in the home. And we also know the law exposes decent, law-abiding parents to significant risk of unwarranted state intervention” says Mr Lewis.
The anti smacking bill’s architect, Sue Bradford, says a public smack could be a sign of bigger problems occurring behind closed doors. A NZPA report quotes Ms Bradford as saying, “while on the surface it might appear like a simple smack…what we don’t know is what else is happening in that family with that child, or other children, or the mother or some other family member.”
Mr Lewis says Ms Bradford’s statement reveals the true intent of the law, which is to gain unlimited access into the homes of New Zealand families.
“This really is another example of state intrusion of the worst kind. Sure, there are legitimate cases of abuse that we are all concerned about. But the police and government departments were already adequately empowered to deal with such cases under the Crimes Act. Bradford’s law gives the state unlimited power to enter a home and scrutinize the lives of decent, law-abiding parents, which is inherently unjust and abusive,” he added.
Mr Lewis says The Family Party aims to protect the rights and responsibilities of parents.
ENDS
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0711/S00277.htm
Anti Smacking Law Poses Significant Risks
Friday, 16 November 2007, 11:07 am
Press Release: The Family Party
Richard Lewis, Leader of THE FAMILY PARTY, says a recent report from the Ministry of Social Development that there has not been a “huge increase in numbers of notifications,” since the law was passed in May, is no reflection of the ever-present danger the law poses to New Zealand families.
“The government is hardly in a position to make credible statements on the affects of a law they rammed through parliament despite overwhelming public opposition. What we do know is that the law has not stopped incidents of abuse in the home. And we also know the law exposes decent, law-abiding parents to significant risk of unwarranted state intervention” says Mr Lewis.
The anti smacking bill’s architect, Sue Bradford, says a public smack could be a sign of bigger problems occurring behind closed doors. A NZPA report quotes Ms Bradford as saying, “while on the surface it might appear like a simple smack…what we don’t know is what else is happening in that family with that child, or other children, or the mother or some other family member.”
Mr Lewis says Ms Bradford’s statement reveals the true intent of the law, which is to gain unlimited access into the homes of New Zealand families.
“This really is another example of state intrusion of the worst kind. Sure, there are legitimate cases of abuse that we are all concerned about. But the police and government departments were already adequately empowered to deal with such cases under the Crimes Act. Bradford’s law gives the state unlimited power to enter a home and scrutinize the lives of decent, law-abiding parents, which is inherently unjust and abusive,” he added.
Mr Lewis says The Family Party aims to protect the rights and responsibilities of parents.
ENDS
FI - 312
16 November 2007 - Family Integrity #312 -- Speech made for the rest of us who share some of his values
Be great if we had such leadership as this in NZ.
Prime Minister John Howard - Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to le ave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament.
"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching there are two laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, dem ocracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy gecis monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
Excerpts from a speeches reported on by George Archibald, 16 September 2007, http://georgearchibald.typepad.com/george_archibald/2007/09/16/index.html
and
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp
Be great if we had such leadership as this in NZ.
Prime Minister John Howard - Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to le ave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament.
"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching there are two laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, dem ocracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy gecis monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
"IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia"
"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."
"This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country that accepted YOU !"
Excerpts from a speeches reported on by George Archibald, 16 September 2007, http://georgearchibald.typepad.com/george_archibald/2007/09/16/index.html
and
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp
FI - 311
16 November 2007 - Family Integrity #311 -- Sweden allows smacking
Greetings all,
This was just published in Sweden. This will not likely help us in NZ, for the anti-smacking law in Sweden is in the Civil Code, the one with no penalties! Social Workers and police there have to decide if the smack that comes to their attention is either clearly an assault under their criminal code or can come under other criminal legislation such as the infamous "disturbing of the peace" law. NZ's anti-smacking law is in the criminal code, where we will automatically face charges of assault if a smack ever comes to the attention of social workers or police. Things seem to be changing in Sweden since the recent elections that booted out the socialists and voted in a conservative government.
Regards,
Craig Smith
National Director
Family Integrity
PO Box 9064
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Ph: (06) 357-4399
Fax: (06) 357-4389
Family.Integrity@xtra.co.nz
http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz
http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/
Our Home....Our Castle
if Section59 is repealed - or replaced...
YOU CAN KISS YOUR CHILDREN GOODBYE.
http://www.storesonline.com/members/846699/uploaded/Brochure_-_Kiss_Children_Goodbye_7.pdf
Greetings all,
This was just published in Sweden. This will not likely help us in NZ, for the anti-smacking law in Sweden is in the Civil Code, the one with no penalties! Social Workers and police there have to decide if the smack that comes to their attention is either clearly an assault under their criminal code or can come under other criminal legislation such as the infamous "disturbing of the peace" law. NZ's anti-smacking law is in the criminal code, where we will automatically face charges of assault if a smack ever comes to the attention of social workers or police. Things seem to be changing in Sweden since the recent elections that booted out the socialists and voted in a conservative government.
Regards,
Craig Smith
National Director
Family Integrity
PO Box 9064
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Ph: (06) 357-4399
Fax: (06) 357-4389
Family.Integrity@xtra.co.nz
http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz
http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/
Our Home....Our Castle
if Section59 is repealed - or replaced...
YOU CAN KISS YOUR CHILDREN GOODBYE.
http://www.storesonline.com/members/846699/uploaded/Brochure_-_Kiss_Children_Goodbye_7.pdf
http://www.thelocal.se/9110/20071115/
Parents 'allowed to smack children'
Published: 15th November 2007 16:48 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/9110/
Swedish parents are allowed to smack their children, as long as they do not hit them too hard, a court in southern Sweden has ruled.
Ystad District Court was ruling in the case of a couple accused of assaulting their daughter. The pair were accused after the girl, 5, told a nurse at a medical check-up that she had been hit.
In subsequent interviews the girl told police:
"When daddy came home from work and was very cross, he hit me on the bottom and it hurt.
"Mummy also hit me on the head, and that hurt," she added.
The father admitted smacking the girl on the bottom, saying that the physical chastisement was part of her upbringing.
A unanimous court ruled that the father's smack did not constitute assault - it was not hard enough to be assault, nor was it done with indifference to the pain it would cause.
Hans Hulthén, the lawyer representing the girl, said he was considering appealing the verdict.
"This ruling undoubtedly sends very strange signals," Hulthén said.
Swedish law is widely interpreted as banning smacking of children, and Sweden is frequently cited internationally as an example of a country with a total ban on corporal punishment.
The 1979 Parenting Act states that children "may not be subjected to corporal chastisement or other demeaning treatment."
According to Sweden's Children's Ombudsman, the preparatory work for the act stipulates that corporal punishment is banned if it causes the child physical injury or pain. This is intended to apply even to a light strike or passing pain, it states.
TT/The Local (news@thelocal.se/08 656 6518)
FI - 310
16 November 2007 - Family Integrity #310 -- U4L table update
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:40 AM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L table update
Hi All,
GENTLE REMINDER TO ALL AUCKLANDERS,
QUEEN STREET MARCH, All these people will want to sign our petition, we plan to have tables at the beginning with a good man on a megaphone (wrapped in foam, which is now an OSH standard, makes it Labour member thump proof).
IF YOU ARE ATTENDING PLEASE BRING A PETITION BOARD WITH PLENTY OF FORMS and ALSO SOME FLYERS "Go to http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz for petition forms"(written on paper), there is a very good probability that these people will download forms for family and friends.
We also need volunteers for Tables, could you give me an indication please, contact Craig craig@unityforliberty.net.nz Thankyou.
LAST WEEKENDS RESULTS,
Rodney led the way with the collection of 520 signatures on Saturday with only 8 folk, well done Arna and the team. Porurua ticking away with 70, Pukekohe nabbed 90, Botany 110, Marton 90, Feilding 125, Hawkes Bay 126, Manurewa 150 and there are still others out there. Great work all. "More tables being added this week".
THE BIG NEWS AT THE A&P SHOW, it's a must read.
I have just arrived back in Auckland from the Christchurch A&P Show, the experience was out of this world. All hats off for Andy, also met Natalie from Catlins (have the Aucklanders worked out where the Catlins are), she traveled six hours to help, she is a real joy.
Here are the numbers:
Wednesday realized 680 in the wind and hail.
Thursday came in with 2020 signatures, it was amazing.
For those who may not have known, our stand was situated right next to the Green Party Tent, I don't think they liked us there. But there's more. On Wednesday when it was cold and windy a lovely lady grabbed a petition board so she could sign, then to give it her full attention she stepped under the tent and out of the weather. Only one problem, she did not realize she had stepped into the "Greens Tent". They were not impressed at all.
My best wishes to all who have involved themselves to date and thank you very much,
Craig Hill
m021746113
http;//www.unityforliberty.net.nz
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:40 AM
To: Craig
Subject: U4L table update
Hi All,
GENTLE REMINDER TO ALL AUCKLANDERS,
QUEEN STREET MARCH, All these people will want to sign our petition, we plan to have tables at the beginning with a good man on a megaphone (wrapped in foam, which is now an OSH standard, makes it Labour member thump proof).
IF YOU ARE ATTENDING PLEASE BRING A PETITION BOARD WITH PLENTY OF FORMS and ALSO SOME FLYERS "Go to http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz for petition forms"(written on paper), there is a very good probability that these people will download forms for family and friends.
We also need volunteers for Tables, could you give me an indication please, contact Craig craig@unityforliberty.net.nz Thankyou.
LAST WEEKENDS RESULTS,
Rodney led the way with the collection of 520 signatures on Saturday with only 8 folk, well done Arna and the team. Porurua ticking away with 70, Pukekohe nabbed 90, Botany 110, Marton 90, Feilding 125, Hawkes Bay 126, Manurewa 150 and there are still others out there. Great work all. "More tables being added this week".
THE BIG NEWS AT THE A&P SHOW, it's a must read.
I have just arrived back in Auckland from the Christchurch A&P Show, the experience was out of this world. All hats off for Andy, also met Natalie from Catlins (have the Aucklanders worked out where the Catlins are), she traveled six hours to help, she is a real joy.
Here are the numbers:
Wednesday realized 680 in the wind and hail.
Thursday came in with 2020 signatures, it was amazing.
For those who may not have known, our stand was situated right next to the Green Party Tent, I don't think they liked us there. But there's more. On Wednesday when it was cold and windy a lovely lady grabbed a petition board so she could sign, then to give it her full attention she stepped under the tent and out of the weather. Only one problem, she did not realize she had stepped into the "Greens Tent". They were not impressed at all.
My best wishes to all who have involved themselves to date and thank you very much,
Craig Hill
m021746113
http;//www.unityforliberty.net.nz
Thursday, 15 November 2007
FI - 309
15 November 2007 - Family Integrity #309 -- A&P Show: Day 2
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: A&P Show: Day 2
Hi folks,
Our fantastic team down in Christchurch collected 2,020 signatures today. We've broken the record.
I'll let you know how Friday goes.
All strength to your arm,
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: A&P Show: Day 2
Hi folks,
Our fantastic team down in Christchurch collected 2,020 signatures today. We've broken the record.
I'll let you know how Friday goes.
All strength to your arm,
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
Gagging Bill
Stop the Labour/NZ First/Greens Electoral Finance "Gagging Bill"
Stop the Labour/NZ First/Greens Electoral Finance "Gagging Bill"
What you can do:
Protest March: Auckland this Saturday 17 November from the Auckland Town Hall at 10.30am (assemble from 10am)
Protest: Wellington next Wednesday, 21 November, for a march on Parliament.
This is to invite you to stand up and be counted.
ACT member John Boscawen is organising marches in Auckland and Wellington to protest the Labour led Government's attack on democracy.
The Electoral Finance Bill is designed to curb political activity.
Labour and NZ First with help from the Greens and United Future are about to ram through a law to gag free speech.
This despite vociferous objection from the Human Rights Commission, the Law Society, Grey Power and concerned citizens from every sector of New Zealand society.
The plan is to give Labour freedom to say what it likes in election year and gag everyone else.
Once the Gagging Bill goes through - possibly as soon as next week - it will be against the law for me to send an email such as this.
That's why the Human Rights Commission talks about a "chilling" impact on democracy.
That's why this is a Gagging Bill by any other name and must be stopped.
Join the marches
If you want to help contact John@boscawen.co.nz John@boscawen.co.nz
Stop the Labour/NZ First/Greens Electoral Finance "Gagging Bill"
What you can do:
Protest March: Auckland this Saturday 17 November from the Auckland Town Hall at 10.30am (assemble from 10am)
Protest: Wellington next Wednesday, 21 November, for a march on Parliament.
This is to invite you to stand up and be counted.
ACT member John Boscawen is organising marches in Auckland and Wellington to protest the Labour led Government's attack on democracy.
The Electoral Finance Bill is designed to curb political activity.
Labour and NZ First with help from the Greens and United Future are about to ram through a law to gag free speech.
This despite vociferous objection from the Human Rights Commission, the Law Society, Grey Power and concerned citizens from every sector of New Zealand society.
The plan is to give Labour freedom to say what it likes in election year and gag everyone else.
Once the Gagging Bill goes through - possibly as soon as next week - it will be against the law for me to send an email such as this.
That's why the Human Rights Commission talks about a "chilling" impact on democracy.
That's why this is a Gagging Bill by any other name and must be stopped.
Join the marches
If you want to help contact John@boscawen.co.nz John@boscawen.co.nz
FI - 308
15 November 2007 - Family Integrity #308 -- Urgent - volunteers needed
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:23 AM
To: Craig
Subject: Urgent - volunteers needed
Volunteers are needed in Auckland this weekend for the Ellerslie Flower Show and the Electoral Finance Bill March in Queen Street.
We are co-ordinating collecting signatures in these areas and need as many volunteers as possible.
Kill two birds with one stone.
If you are already attending the March in Queen Street please take petition forms (download from here http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz/petition.html), clipboard and pen, since there will be announcements on the anti-smacking law during the March and those attending will want to sign.
Those helping with the Flower show will need petition forms (download from here http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz/petition.html), clipboard and pen.
If you're available to help with either event, please contact Craig craig@unityforliberty.net.nz
Other areas are also needing volunteers and assistance:
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz/table-challenge.html
Rodney District
Northshore
Howick
Mangere
Manurewa
Papakura
Pukekohe
Waiuku
Tauranga
Hawkes's Bay
Marton
Wellington
Christchurch
Catlins
If you are available in any of these areas, please look up our website http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz/table-challenge.html for contact details.
An update on last weekends table collection will be out soon.
Kind regards,
Craig
ph 021 746 113
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Hill [mailto:craighill@maxnet.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:23 AM
To: Craig
Subject: Urgent - volunteers needed
Volunteers are needed in Auckland this weekend for the Ellerslie Flower Show and the Electoral Finance Bill March in Queen Street.
We are co-ordinating collecting signatures in these areas and need as many volunteers as possible.
Kill two birds with one stone.
If you are already attending the March in Queen Street please take petition forms (download from here http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz/petition.html), clipboard and pen, since there will be announcements on the anti-smacking law during the March and those attending will want to sign.
Those helping with the Flower show will need petition forms (download from here http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz/petition.html), clipboard and pen.
If you're available to help with either event, please contact Craig craig@unityforliberty.net.nz
Other areas are also needing volunteers and assistance:
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz/table-challenge.html
Rodney District
Northshore
Howick
Mangere
Manurewa
Papakura
Pukekohe
Waiuku
Tauranga
Hawkes's Bay
Marton
Wellington
Christchurch
Catlins
If you are available in any of these areas, please look up our website http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz/table-challenge.html for contact details.
An update on last weekends table collection will be out soon.
Kind regards,
Craig
ph 021 746 113
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
FI - 307a
15 November 2007 - Family Integrity #307a -- A&P Show: Day 1
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Moore [mailto:chch@unityforliberty.net.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:07 PM
To: chch@unityforliberty.net.nz
Subject: A&P Show: Day 1
Dear volunteers, stake-holders and key people behind the scenes - you know who you are,
Thanks so much for your help, there would be no Citizen's Initiated Referendum on the damaging new anti-smacking law if it weren't for you.
We collected 680 signatures today. Torrential rains, occasional hail and chilling wind didn't help, but despite this our team pulled through.
Volunteers from as far as Invercargill, Auckland and the West Coast arrived to do their bit.
Player of the Day award goes to Natalie from Invercargill. We just couldn't stop her! Legend!
I'll let you know how tomorrow goes.
--
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Moore [mailto:chch@unityforliberty.net.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:07 PM
To: chch@unityforliberty.net.nz
Subject: A&P Show: Day 1
Dear volunteers, stake-holders and key people behind the scenes - you know who you are,
Thanks so much for your help, there would be no Citizen's Initiated Referendum on the damaging new anti-smacking law if it weren't for you.
We collected 680 signatures today. Torrential rains, occasional hail and chilling wind didn't help, but despite this our team pulled through.
Volunteers from as far as Invercargill, Auckland and the West Coast arrived to do their bit.
Player of the Day award goes to Natalie from Invercargill. We just couldn't stop her! Legend!
I'll let you know how tomorrow goes.
--
Andy Moore
phone: 021 1140 751
http://www.unityforliberty.net.nz
Tuesday, 13 November 2007
FI - 307
13 November 2007 - Family Integrity #307 -- Flash of Insight
Dear Friends,
Let me share with you a recent conversation between a good friend of mine and an acquaintence of his. Reading this exchange caused me to have one of those rare flashes of insight, which I also share with you below.
Regards,
Craig Smith
National Director
Family Integrity
PO Box 9064
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Ph: (06) 357-4399
Fax: (06) 357-4389
Family.Integrity@xtra.co.nz
http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz
http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/
Our Home....Our Castle
if Section59 is repealed - or replaced...
YOU CAN KISS YOUR CHILDREN GOODBYE.
http://www.storesonline.com/members/846699/uploaded/Brochure_-_Kiss_Children_Goodbye_7.pdf
Hi Craig,
Last Friday night we went out to the home of a couple who have three young children.
There were three couples there.
Over dinner we got to talking about s59 and the dilemmas it will throw up for Christians.
The host husband said he thought the whole debate was a storm in a tea cup!
I suggested it wasn't at all and that Christian parents now faced a real choice of either obeying God and correcting their children, or obeying man and not - a choice in this area I had not had to face and didn't want my kids to have to face.
The host wife said, that if it came down to having your children taken off you, you would have to obey man...
So there you go. The solution is easy. Obey man.
Regards,
R...
Gidday R ...,
This is the dilemma: and at last I see the flaw in the thinking: that if we obey God, men will -- not might -- take our children away from us. God is sovereign. He is also The Sovereign Who must -- not might -- be obeyed. We must obey, regardless of the consequences. I was set to leave NZ so that I could obey without the attendant danger, not the attendant certainty, of the state stealing my children. But the Lord shut that door, so I am staying on here in NZ, not happily I must add, but obediently and also expectantly. I expect the Lord to do great and mighty things, and if He can use me and my family as instruments of Righteousness, praise His Holy Name for such a marvellous privilege! Part of that expectation is of seeing the situation in NZ get far worse than it is now. Honestly, we ain't seen nothing yet. The enemy from the pit is manipulating the enemies in Parliament who willingly move to the devil's ideas. There will be much suffering and much damage to many families. We must be circling the wagons and hunkering down for the attacks, I believe, and also preparing for climbing out of the trenches and bomb shelters with our children and grandchildren who we have been training up and discipling in the meantime to take vital roles in the reconstruction of New Zealand once again as a Christian nation.
Craig
Dear Friends,
Let me share with you a recent conversation between a good friend of mine and an acquaintence of his. Reading this exchange caused me to have one of those rare flashes of insight, which I also share with you below.
Regards,
Craig Smith
National Director
Family Integrity
PO Box 9064
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Ph: (06) 357-4399
Fax: (06) 357-4389
Family.Integrity@xtra.co.nz
http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz
http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/
Our Home....Our Castle
if Section59 is repealed - or replaced...
YOU CAN KISS YOUR CHILDREN GOODBYE.
http://www.storesonline.com/members/846699/uploaded/Brochure_-_Kiss_Children_Goodbye_7.pdf
Hi Craig,
Last Friday night we went out to the home of a couple who have three young children.
There were three couples there.
Over dinner we got to talking about s59 and the dilemmas it will throw up for Christians.
The host husband said he thought the whole debate was a storm in a tea cup!
I suggested it wasn't at all and that Christian parents now faced a real choice of either obeying God and correcting their children, or obeying man and not - a choice in this area I had not had to face and didn't want my kids to have to face.
The host wife said, that if it came down to having your children taken off you, you would have to obey man...
So there you go. The solution is easy. Obey man.
Regards,
R...
Gidday R ...,
This is the dilemma: and at last I see the flaw in the thinking: that if we obey God, men will -- not might -- take our children away from us. God is sovereign. He is also The Sovereign Who must -- not might -- be obeyed. We must obey, regardless of the consequences. I was set to leave NZ so that I could obey without the attendant danger, not the attendant certainty, of the state stealing my children. But the Lord shut that door, so I am staying on here in NZ, not happily I must add, but obediently and also expectantly. I expect the Lord to do great and mighty things, and if He can use me and my family as instruments of Righteousness, praise His Holy Name for such a marvellous privilege! Part of that expectation is of seeing the situation in NZ get far worse than it is now. Honestly, we ain't seen nothing yet. The enemy from the pit is manipulating the enemies in Parliament who willingly move to the devil's ideas. There will be much suffering and much damage to many families. We must be circling the wagons and hunkering down for the attacks, I believe, and also preparing for climbing out of the trenches and bomb shelters with our children and grandchildren who we have been training up and discipling in the meantime to take vital roles in the reconstruction of New Zealand once again as a Christian nation.
Craig
FI - 306
13 November 2007 - Family Integrity #306 -- Don't Mess with Mom
Send to all people that have teenagers or have already raised teenagers, or have children who will soon be teenagers or those who will be parents someday OR ANYONE WHO'D JUST GET A LAUGH .I love this One!!!
MOM (Mean Old Mother)
Craig Smith
National Director
Family Integrity
PO Box 9064
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Ph: (06) 357-4399
Fax: (06) 357-4389
Family.Integrity@xtra.co.nz
http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz
http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/
Our Home....Our Castle
if Section59 is repealed - or replaced...
YOU CAN KISS YOUR CHILDREN GOODBYE.
http://www.storesonline.com/members/846699/uploaded/Brochure_-_Kiss_Children_Goodbye_7.pdf
DON'T MESS WITH MOM
My son came home from school one day,
With a smirk upon his face.
He decided he was smart enough,
To put me in my place.
"Guess what I learned in Civics Two,
that's taught by Mr. Wright?
It's all about the laws today,
The 'Children's Bill of Rights.'
It says I need not clean my room,
Don't have to cut my hair
No one can tell me what to think,
Or speak, or what to wear.
I have freedom from religion,
And regardless what you say,
I don't have to bow my head,
And I sure don't have to pray.
I can wear earrings if I want,
And pierce my tongue & nose.
I can read & watch just what I like,
Get tattoos from head to toe.
And if you ever spank me,
I'll charge you with a crime.
I'll back up all my charges,
With the marks on my behind.
Don't you ever touch me,
My body's only for my use,
Not for your hugs and kisses,
that's just more child abuse.
Don't preach about your morals,
Like your Mama did to you.
That's nothing more than mind control,
And it's illegal too!
Mom, I have these children's rights,
So you can't influence me,
Or I'll call Children's Services Division,
Better known as C.S.D."
Of course my first instinct was
To toss him out the door.
But the chance to teach him a lesson
Made me think a little more.
I mulled it over carefully,
I couldn't let this go.
A smile crept upon my face,
he's messing with a pro.
Next day I took him shopping
At the local Goodwill Store.
I told him, "Pick out all you want,
there's shirts & pants galore.
I've called and checked with C.S.D.
Who said they didn't care
If I bought you K-Mart shoes
Instead of those Nike Airs.
I've canceled that appointment
To take your driver's test.
The C.S.D. Is unconcerned
So I'll decide what's best."
I said "No time to stop and eat,
Or pick up stuff to munch.
And tomorrow you can start to learn
To make your own sack lunch.
Just save the raging appetite,
And wait till dinner time.
We're having liver and onions,
A favorite dish of mine."
He asked "Can I please rent a movie,
To watch on my VCR?"
"Sorry, but I sold your TV,
For new tires on my car.
I also rented out your room,
You'll take the couch instead.
The C.S.D. Requires
Just a roof over your head.
Your clothing won't be trendy now,
I'll choose what we eat.
That allowance that you used to get,
Will buy me something neat.
I'm selling off your jet ski,
Dirt-bike & roller blades.
Check out the 'Parents Bill of Rights',
It's in effect today!
Hey hot shot, are you crying,
Why are you on your knees?
Are you asking God to help you out,
Instead of C.S.D..?"
Send to all people that have teenagers or have already raised teenagers, or have children who will soon be teenagers or those who will be parents someday OR ANYONE WHO'D JUST GET A LAUGH .I love this One!!!
MOM (Mean Old Mother)
Craig Smith
National Director
Family Integrity
PO Box 9064
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Ph: (06) 357-4399
Fax: (06) 357-4389
Family.Integrity@xtra.co.nz
http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz
http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/
Our Home....Our Castle
if Section59 is repealed - or replaced...
YOU CAN KISS YOUR CHILDREN GOODBYE.
http://www.storesonline.com/members/846699/uploaded/Brochure_-_Kiss_Children_Goodbye_7.pdf
Monday, 12 November 2007
Some Normal Families caught up with Police and CYFs since Section 59 amended
AUGUST 2007
**3 August 2007 - Eastern Courier - Boy's 111 'parent assault' call unfounded
A boy called 111 after learning about the new child discipline regulations at school. The 11-year-old turned to police fearing he was assaulted by his parents, but it turned out that he was being disciplined. http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/sundaystartimes/auckland/4150344a22395.html
**14 August 2007 - Karyn Scherer: No, I don't abuse my kids, but thanks for checking
The most extraordinary thing happened to me on Saturday night. I was not long out of my nightly dip in the spa pool with the kids, when there was a loud and unfriendly rap on the front door. "Open up," a man's voice boomed. I scurried to the door in my dressing gown, somehow knowing instantly that it could only be the police, and that some drama must be occurring in our neighbourhood. How right I was. There were three burly policemen on my doorstep, who shone a torch in my face and aggressively informed me that someone in my neighbourhood was concerned that I might be abusing my children. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/466/story.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10457483&pnum=0#Scene_1 and http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10457582
OCTOBER 2007
**28 October 2007 - Stuff - School dobs mum to CYF for hand smack
A Wellington mother says her family has been left traumatised by new anti-smacking laws, after her son's school reported her to Child, Youth and Family for smacking him on the hand. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4253352a10.html and http://www.stuff.co.nz/4253352a10.html and http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/2007/10/fi-301.html and what the family said about it http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/2007/10/fi-300.html
**Police Investigate Grandmother for Giving Swearing Grandchild a Smack in Shop Bay of Plenty
In October, a woman had been shopping with her granddaughter at one of the Warehouse stores in the Bay of Plenty to buy a bubble blowing Kit. They decided on one on a lower shelf when the granddaughter spotted one more expensive higher up and insisted that she wanted that one. Grandma said no and the granddaughter let her feelings be known in an offensive verbal manner using the F word amongst others. Grandma responded with a smack. As they left the store, she was surprised to find a policeman waiting to interview her. Aaccording to the store management, a complaint had been made by a member of the public. Fortunately they didn't press charges, but the grandmother was shocked. http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/index.cfm/cases.html
**Solo Mum Investigated by Police When Child Falls Over South Auckland
This South Auckland mother had no previous CYF or Police involvement. In October, she took her 5 year old shopping. As they were leaving the supermarket, the mother chased some money which the daughter had dropped. She then grabbed the child’s hand to lead the child to the car, but the child tripped and fell over. When mum got her daughter back to the car, she gave her a hug and kiss. An hour later, 2 police officers were at the door interviewing both her and her 5 year old after a complaint had been laid. The police said it was a waste of time, but the complaint would be held on file. The mother said “They could have phoned. Their visit surprised me. It made me feel like a criminal. It made me question my parenting skills. I may have been frazzled but in no way did I abuse my child.” http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/index.cfm/cases.html
NOVEMBER 2007
**22 November 2007 - The Dominion Post - Three smacks and he's 'guilty'. A father who spanked his eight-year-old son on the bottom three times for misbehaving at school is one of the first to be convicted of assault under the law against smacking. The Masterton man was sentenced to nine months' supervision yesterday after admitting he had grabbed his son by the shoulder, held him on his knee and hit him with an open hand. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4283366a10.html
December
**Dad argues for right to hit son.A Nelson father charged with assaulting his son, in one of the region's first prosecutions under a controversial new child discipline law, says he is prepared to go to jail for his right as a parent and a Christian to hit his child. Rowan Flynn has been charged with two counts of assaulting his 11-year-old son under the new legislation, which came into effect in June and removed a parent's right to use "reasonable force" when discipling a child. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4315830a11.html
**3 August 2007 - Eastern Courier - Boy's 111 'parent assault' call unfounded
A boy called 111 after learning about the new child discipline regulations at school. The 11-year-old turned to police fearing he was assaulted by his parents, but it turned out that he was being disciplined. http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/sundaystartimes/auckland/4150344a22395.html
**14 August 2007 - Karyn Scherer: No, I don't abuse my kids, but thanks for checking
The most extraordinary thing happened to me on Saturday night. I was not long out of my nightly dip in the spa pool with the kids, when there was a loud and unfriendly rap on the front door. "Open up," a man's voice boomed. I scurried to the door in my dressing gown, somehow knowing instantly that it could only be the police, and that some drama must be occurring in our neighbourhood. How right I was. There were three burly policemen on my doorstep, who shone a torch in my face and aggressively informed me that someone in my neighbourhood was concerned that I might be abusing my children. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/466/story.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10457483&pnum=0#Scene_1 and http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10457582
OCTOBER 2007
**28 October 2007 - Stuff - School dobs mum to CYF for hand smack
A Wellington mother says her family has been left traumatised by new anti-smacking laws, after her son's school reported her to Child, Youth and Family for smacking him on the hand. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4253352a10.html and http://www.stuff.co.nz/4253352a10.html and http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/2007/10/fi-301.html and what the family said about it http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/2007/10/fi-300.html
**Police Investigate Grandmother for Giving Swearing Grandchild a Smack in Shop Bay of Plenty
In October, a woman had been shopping with her granddaughter at one of the Warehouse stores in the Bay of Plenty to buy a bubble blowing Kit. They decided on one on a lower shelf when the granddaughter spotted one more expensive higher up and insisted that she wanted that one. Grandma said no and the granddaughter let her feelings be known in an offensive verbal manner using the F word amongst others. Grandma responded with a smack. As they left the store, she was surprised to find a policeman waiting to interview her. Aaccording to the store management, a complaint had been made by a member of the public. Fortunately they didn't press charges, but the grandmother was shocked. http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/index.cfm/cases.html
**Solo Mum Investigated by Police When Child Falls Over South Auckland
This South Auckland mother had no previous CYF or Police involvement. In October, she took her 5 year old shopping. As they were leaving the supermarket, the mother chased some money which the daughter had dropped. She then grabbed the child’s hand to lead the child to the car, but the child tripped and fell over. When mum got her daughter back to the car, she gave her a hug and kiss. An hour later, 2 police officers were at the door interviewing both her and her 5 year old after a complaint had been laid. The police said it was a waste of time, but the complaint would be held on file. The mother said “They could have phoned. Their visit surprised me. It made me feel like a criminal. It made me question my parenting skills. I may have been frazzled but in no way did I abuse my child.” http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/index.cfm/cases.html
NOVEMBER 2007
**22 November 2007 - The Dominion Post - Three smacks and he's 'guilty'. A father who spanked his eight-year-old son on the bottom three times for misbehaving at school is one of the first to be convicted of assault under the law against smacking. The Masterton man was sentenced to nine months' supervision yesterday after admitting he had grabbed his son by the shoulder, held him on his knee and hit him with an open hand. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4283366a10.html
December
**Dad argues for right to hit son.A Nelson father charged with assaulting his son, in one of the region's first prosecutions under a controversial new child discipline law, says he is prepared to go to jail for his right as a parent and a Christian to hit his child. Rowan Flynn has been charged with two counts of assaulting his 11-year-old son under the new legislation, which came into effect in June and removed a parent's right to use "reasonable force" when discipling a child. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4315830a11.html
Friday, 9 November 2007
Media
MEDIA RELEASE
9 November 2007
Family First Disgusted with Ministry of Education Over Sex Abuse
Family First is shocked and disgusted with the actions of the Ministry of Education who knew about allegations of sexual abuse at Hato Paora College but did not instruct the school to contact police.
“It is quite incredible that schools will rush to CYF to report a hand-smack yet are willing to hide a far more serious case of sexual abuse,” says Bob McCoskrie, National Director of Family First NZ.
“Both the Ministry and the Board of Trustees failed to contact the police despite the serious nature of these allegations. Any complaint of this type should be referred automatically to the police so that they can undertake their own investigation.”
“For a government ministry to hide this information shows just how confused they are in determining real abuse versus the role of parents and reasonable parental correction.”
This case follows other cases of government inaction in dealing with the real causes and cases of child abuse.
The Government admitted last year that it was powerless to intervene after it was revealed that teachers with a history of drugs, violence and sex offences had been allowed back into the classroom.
In July, it was revealed that a teacher convicted of sexually molesting a nine-year-old boy had been supported by his union when he was stood down from an earlier job for looking at child porn, and an art teacher who posted hard-core pornographic pictures of himself and two women on internet sex sites - with messages for girls "the younger the better" to contact him - had been allowed to continue teaching.
The Post Primary Teachers Association (PPTA) tried to keep the case secret, and the Teachers Council would not reveal the teacher's name.
“It’s time the government and its departments figured out the real meaning of abuse, and started targeting it with full resources and an automatic referral to the police,” says Mr McCoskrie. “They are protecting ‘their own’ yet have no problem dobbing in good parents.”
ENDS
For More Information and Media Interviews, contact Family First:
Bob McCoskrie JP - National Director
Tel. 09 261 2426 | Mob. 027 55 555 42
9 November 2007
Family First Disgusted with Ministry of Education Over Sex Abuse
Family First is shocked and disgusted with the actions of the Ministry of Education who knew about allegations of sexual abuse at Hato Paora College but did not instruct the school to contact police.
“It is quite incredible that schools will rush to CYF to report a hand-smack yet are willing to hide a far more serious case of sexual abuse,” says Bob McCoskrie, National Director of Family First NZ.
“Both the Ministry and the Board of Trustees failed to contact the police despite the serious nature of these allegations. Any complaint of this type should be referred automatically to the police so that they can undertake their own investigation.”
“For a government ministry to hide this information shows just how confused they are in determining real abuse versus the role of parents and reasonable parental correction.”
This case follows other cases of government inaction in dealing with the real causes and cases of child abuse.
The Government admitted last year that it was powerless to intervene after it was revealed that teachers with a history of drugs, violence and sex offences had been allowed back into the classroom.
In July, it was revealed that a teacher convicted of sexually molesting a nine-year-old boy had been supported by his union when he was stood down from an earlier job for looking at child porn, and an art teacher who posted hard-core pornographic pictures of himself and two women on internet sex sites - with messages for girls "the younger the better" to contact him - had been allowed to continue teaching.
The Post Primary Teachers Association (PPTA) tried to keep the case secret, and the Teachers Council would not reveal the teacher's name.
“It’s time the government and its departments figured out the real meaning of abuse, and started targeting it with full resources and an automatic referral to the police,” says Mr McCoskrie. “They are protecting ‘their own’ yet have no problem dobbing in good parents.”
ENDS
For More Information and Media Interviews, contact Family First:
Bob McCoskrie JP - National Director
Tel. 09 261 2426 | Mob. 027 55 555 42
FI - 305
9 November 2007 - Family Integrity #305 -- Family First - Help TV Companies Clean up their act
Dear Friends,
I know some of you already get this straight from Family First, so forgive me for sending it again. This really is important. I mean, we never, ever watch TV. We're far too busy doing other things to be concerned about TV boycotts, etc., and I decided long ago not to be involved. But this below is clearly only one incident among many, a particularly bad patch along the way down, signalling for all to see what is going to follow. Since our family deals regularly with Vodafone, Genesis Energy and Flight Centre, we cannot sit around and do nothing. This kind of garbage is watched by too many of our neighbours and their kids who then associate with our children. These neighbours go on to become so totally desensitised to this kind of thing, they consider it normal, and so we have the gross dysfunction in schools and public entertainment and advertising and legislation that we see now. It will only get worse.
So get busy boycotting and writing letters. Get your passports up to date, for a flight to Australia may be our only way out of this stuff one day. But better yet, let us join in personal and corporate repentance for having allowed this kind of thing to develop while we were looking the other way, being uninvolved. Let us pray for forgiveness for ourselves, wisdom and stamina to do what is needed to combat this stuff, and the wisdom and courage to develop and follow strategies to create environments wherein we can train up our selves and our children in relative freedom from this stuff and also to train up ourselves and our children to evangelise others to determine to be free from addiction to this stuff personally and to determine to help free New Zealand from this stuff permanently.
Regards,
Craig Smith
National Director
Family Integrity
PO Box 9064
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Ph: (06) 357-4399
Fax: (06) 357-4389
Family.Integrity@xtra.co.nz
http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz
http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/
Our Home....Our Castle
if Section59 is repealed - or replaced...
YOU CAN KISS YOUR CHILDREN GOODBYE.
http://www.storesonline.com/members/846699/uploaded/Brochure_-_Kiss_Children_Goodbye_7.pdf
-----Original Message-----
From: admin@familyfirst.org.nz [mailto:admin@familyfirst.org.nz]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:00 PM
To: Craig Smith
Subject: Family First - Help TV Companies Clean up their act
08 Nov 2007
Hi Craig,
It's time television broadcasters cleaned up their act.
Let's give them some help!
Please join us in boycotting companies who advertised during the first episode of the pornographic Californication on TV3 last night - just the latest programme on the slippery slide of plummeting tv standards.
Believe me - it was SHOCKING!
Objectionable material included:
* four explicit sex scenes
* one involving violence
* full nudity
* teenage drug use
* constant foul language ('F' word 26 times)
* programme littered with explicit sexual talk and innuendo
* talk of beastiality
* inclusion of a very young girl as the lead character's daughter. This child is exposed to the worst effects of her father's sexual antics, including asking why her father's latest bedmate has no hair on her vagina
* the opening scene features the lead character having sex with a nun in a church
HELP US SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO COMPANIES TO WITHDRAW THEIR SUPPORT OF THIS PROGRAMME
Please send them a short, polite note informing them:
* you're concerned about the increasing amount of objectionable and offensive material on tv, and the effect it's having on our communities and the safety of our families
* we need their help to 'clean up' television
* if they're concerned about declining standards, increasing sexual crime, pornography (including child pornography), drug and alcohol abuse, offensive language, degrading treatment of women, violence in our communities, they can help bring about change by spending their advertising dollar on postive pro-family programmes!
* until they declare that they are boycotting advertising during this programme, you will boycott their products and go to the competition
You can read the letter that we are sending the companies to inform them of the boycott HERE http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/index.cfm/californication.html
Thank you for speaking up. Let us never be accused of having 'moral laryngitis'!!
Bob McCoskrie
National Director
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Companies who advertised during the programme (and their contacts):
Businessmentor.org.nz
0800 103 400
Email: bmnz@bitc.co.nz
Ferrit.co.nz
0800 FERRIT (337748)
Genesis Energy
0800 300 400
info@genesisenergy.co.nz
Burger King
09 477 4300
contactus@bknz.co.nz
Finish Dishwashing Liquid
(UK company)
Monteiths
(03) 768-4149
http://www.monteiths.com/nz/siteFiles/general/contactus.html
CRC
09 272 2700
customerservices@crc.co.nz
Pascall (Cadbury)
0800 CADBURY (223 287)
http://www.cadbury.co.nz/cadbury_home/enquiries.cfm
Vodafone
0800 800 021
http://vodafonenz.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/vodafonenz.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php
Flight Centre
0800 227 500
http://www.flightcentre.co.nz/section24.asp
and 2 government departments - bit hard to boycott - but at least tell them your concerns!
Ministry of Economic Development
info@med.govt.nz
04 472 0030
NZ Police
Police Commissioner Howard Broad
maria.di.mattina@police.govt.nz
04 474 9499
http://www.familyfirst.org.nz | About us | Media Centre | Contact Us | Support Us |
Dear Friends,
I know some of you already get this straight from Family First, so forgive me for sending it again. This really is important. I mean, we never, ever watch TV. We're far too busy doing other things to be concerned about TV boycotts, etc., and I decided long ago not to be involved. But this below is clearly only one incident among many, a particularly bad patch along the way down, signalling for all to see what is going to follow. Since our family deals regularly with Vodafone, Genesis Energy and Flight Centre, we cannot sit around and do nothing. This kind of garbage is watched by too many of our neighbours and their kids who then associate with our children. These neighbours go on to become so totally desensitised to this kind of thing, they consider it normal, and so we have the gross dysfunction in schools and public entertainment and advertising and legislation that we see now. It will only get worse.
So get busy boycotting and writing letters. Get your passports up to date, for a flight to Australia may be our only way out of this stuff one day. But better yet, let us join in personal and corporate repentance for having allowed this kind of thing to develop while we were looking the other way, being uninvolved. Let us pray for forgiveness for ourselves, wisdom and stamina to do what is needed to combat this stuff, and the wisdom and courage to develop and follow strategies to create environments wherein we can train up our selves and our children in relative freedom from this stuff and also to train up ourselves and our children to evangelise others to determine to be free from addiction to this stuff personally and to determine to help free New Zealand from this stuff permanently.
Regards,
Craig Smith
National Director
Family Integrity
PO Box 9064
Palmerston North
New Zealand
Ph: (06) 357-4399
Fax: (06) 357-4389
Family.Integrity@xtra.co.nz
http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz
http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/
Our Home....Our Castle
if Section59 is repealed - or replaced...
YOU CAN KISS YOUR CHILDREN GOODBYE.
http://www.storesonline.com/members/846699/uploaded/Brochure_-_Kiss_Children_Goodbye_7.pdf
-----Original Message-----
From: admin@familyfirst.org.nz [mailto:admin@familyfirst.org.nz]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:00 PM
To: Craig Smith
Subject: Family First - Help TV Companies Clean up their act
08 Nov 2007
Hi Craig,
It's time television broadcasters cleaned up their act.
Let's give them some help!
Please join us in boycotting companies who advertised during the first episode of the pornographic Californication on TV3 last night - just the latest programme on the slippery slide of plummeting tv standards.
Believe me - it was SHOCKING!
Objectionable material included:
* four explicit sex scenes
* one involving violence
* full nudity
* teenage drug use
* constant foul language ('F' word 26 times)
* programme littered with explicit sexual talk and innuendo
* talk of beastiality
* inclusion of a very young girl as the lead character's daughter. This child is exposed to the worst effects of her father's sexual antics, including asking why her father's latest bedmate has no hair on her vagina
* the opening scene features the lead character having sex with a nun in a church
HELP US SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO COMPANIES TO WITHDRAW THEIR SUPPORT OF THIS PROGRAMME
Please send them a short, polite note informing them:
* you're concerned about the increasing amount of objectionable and offensive material on tv, and the effect it's having on our communities and the safety of our families
* we need their help to 'clean up' television
* if they're concerned about declining standards, increasing sexual crime, pornography (including child pornography), drug and alcohol abuse, offensive language, degrading treatment of women, violence in our communities, they can help bring about change by spending their advertising dollar on postive pro-family programmes!
* until they declare that they are boycotting advertising during this programme, you will boycott their products and go to the competition
You can read the letter that we are sending the companies to inform them of the boycott HERE http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/index.cfm/californication.html
Thank you for speaking up. Let us never be accused of having 'moral laryngitis'!!
Bob McCoskrie
National Director
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Companies who advertised during the programme (and their contacts):
Businessmentor.org.nz
0800 103 400
Email: bmnz@bitc.co.nz
Ferrit.co.nz
0800 FERRIT (337748)
Genesis Energy
0800 300 400
info@genesisenergy.co.nz
Burger King
09 477 4300
contactus@bknz.co.nz
Finish Dishwashing Liquid
(UK company)
Monteiths
(03) 768-4149
http://www.monteiths.com/nz/siteFiles/general/contactus.html
CRC
09 272 2700
customerservices@crc.co.nz
Pascall (Cadbury)
0800 CADBURY (223 287)
http://www.cadbury.co.nz/cadbury_home/enquiries.cfm
Vodafone
0800 800 021
http://vodafonenz.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/vodafonenz.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php
Flight Centre
0800 227 500
http://www.flightcentre.co.nz/section24.asp
and 2 government departments - bit hard to boycott - but at least tell them your concerns!
Ministry of Economic Development
info@med.govt.nz
04 472 0030
NZ Police
Police Commissioner Howard Broad
maria.di.mattina@police.govt.nz
04 474 9499
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